The British PM has a history of racism and bigotry

Gagjo dim? Possibly but methinks more like just plain lazy. He’s not the least bit interested in having to put in the hours and hard work.

He has what he always wanted to be PM but in name only.

Yehbutnobut For completeness, I think you might have added that your Spectator clip was from 1999, 'uncovered' last year when many things were dredged up to discredit Johnson after he became Conservative leader.

Twenty years later, during the Conservative leadership battle, The Spectator could record:

'Boris has backed gay marriage, created a Violence Against Women and Girls board as London mayor and campaigned against FGM.'

I am not a great Boris fan but I do favour greater balance.

Yes, good point Yehbutnobut. Seems even Cummings, BH's external brain doesn't want to do too much reading either. Too busy with spouting his own indoctrinating verbiage.

april ‘he has the genes to be a bit of a revolutionary statesman* . FFS

april ‘he has the genes to be a bit of a revolutionary statesman* . FFS

So you disagree. Why cant you just say that? I think the use of an expletive, no matter how it is shortened says a lot about your lack of argument. Did I swear at you? Did I swear at anyone?

You would make you point beeter I feel if you gave your opinion and did not include the rude phrases.

Ascribing the ability to be a revolutionary statesman to someone’s genes is such a fundamentally ridiculous thing to post that the only appropriate response is FFS. It’s the basis of a racist, fascist eugenicist belief system - and that ended well didn’t it?

Oh dear suziewoozie you really have no idea. Pretty much everything about you is in your genes. We all have inherited traits which have nothing to do with our upbringing. It has been proven time and time again. Your comment about racism and eugenics is inflammatory and totally irrelevant.

I agree with Suzie. My grandson is part Mongolian and therefore will have the genes of Ghengis Kahn (most Mongolians do have his genes - reproduced prolifically). That is like saying my grandson has the genes to become a violent despot.

Whilst it is not popular to say around 80% of who and what we are as human beings is essentially genetic. The other 20% of environmental factors might be important in final outcomes but overall the result is that genetics do seem to control an awful lot. Like that or not, it is a biological fact.

Too often these days some people want to deny those facts in support of all manner of interests. So you do not like it when I suggest BJ has something like this in his genes?

I bet if it were a different characteristics - say homosexuality or trans gender you would be the first to jump on me if I did not accept that such individuals were " born that way" and it was not " in their genes". That of course is a bit of an assumption but it is the received wisdom of the times. After all, if such things were not genetic we would be able to change them wouldnt we and that leads to a whole new set of scenarios?

april please post your link to your 80% figure.

IF BJ were born that way, he would be doing a MUCH better job. As much as I disliked David Cameron, HE was a statesman. David Miliband is also. Boris is a lazy fool. Possibly genes do play a role. But I don't see that Boris got the statesman gene. Just the money/privilege.

Of course many aspects of us are inherited - the idea that bring a revolutionary statesman is one of them is poppycock.

Is it nature or is it nurture how we turn out and what we do in life?

The other issue is that the definition of statesmanship changes over time and is different between cultures unlike eg blue eyes which we can all agree on ( unless you are reading the thread on colour of course)

Cunco if people had taken Hitler’s early writing more seriously then perhaps millions needn’t have died. There is nothing to indicate that Boris is less of a racist now than he was twenty years ago, which is why I included one from a couple of months ago.

You see, that shows a history of bigotry which he is happy to continue to the present day. A long held belief.

Oh dear do you really believe that old Chestnut ?

Anyway what has Boris’ DNA profile to do with anything? He learned to think this from his upbringing and schooling.

Does anybody have any links to these claims about DNA please? I find them quite ridiculous. Do the RF family for example exhibit the " ruling and duty" genes we see with the Queen?

Oh dear silly silly me. I was so taken aback by aprils belief in the hereditary nature of ‘revolutionary statesmanship’ that I quite forgot to check her claim as to who Johnson’s great grandfather was. He rather seems to be not Mustafa Kemal Ataturk but Ali Kemal. There is additionally the rather delicious irony that all of the former’s children were adopted. I’m not sure which great grandfather Johnson had had to be honest. Oh go on, yes I do. GN home of the right wing fake news factory.

I suppose what BJ has learned as he gets older is the aboity to conceal his real opinions and character behind that genial, bit-of-a-lad, comedian frontage. He doesn't do the Bullingdon Club stuff now (well not in public anyway)

But if you read up on Ali, you’ll see that he was a journalist so that bit could of course have been inherited and he was murdered ( is there a gene that makes it more likely you’ll suffer that fate?)

FFS = For Facts Sake btw

Oh dear suziewoozie you really have no idea

Oops

Oh Chestnut will be on shortly Grey to tell april she really has no idea ..... or maybe not ????FFS

Yehbutnobut For the sake of clarity, it would be helpful if you put a date (and maybe a link) on your quotes so we can see what is current and what is dated. I am not sure why your clips identify Johnson as a racist (at least what I take to be a racist) and to draw parallels between Hitler and Johnson is extreme.

Should we also draw a parallel between Owen Jones' inflammatory language and that used by dictators of the past? I suspect not although, as with Johnson's premiership, time will tell what Owen Jones turns out to be or do.

I suppose I should not have expected balance when I read your introduction and since there is none, I will leave this thread to those who enjoy a morning rant.