Meat or no Meat - wow

Sorry - I agree not is!

MawB is agree. I also heard Isabella Tree on Desert Island Discs and found the whole wilding argument very interesting.

MawB - Agree totally with the article. We do not need to all become vegans or vegetarians, just need to eat more wisely. We all eat far too much anyway.

merlotgran
Amazing isn't it, that some see no irony in espousing Greta word for word then ordering a takeaway to be delivered by Uber

Our seven grandchildren are not growing up on a farm like their parents did. They're scattered around various towns and cities as their lives move at a furious pace. I love our discussions. There's so much we can teach eachother about modern life but I can't help shaking my head when at least one of my grandsons nods his wise old head, listening to Greta Thurnberg at the same time as he's ordering a Domino pizza on his phone.

I'll be the one nagging him to put the box in the recycling and not in the landfill bin.

I don't get that diagram. (Thicko here)

We farm very differently in the UK than they do in many other countries around the world.

and see the truth
I like to hear all sides of an argument before making up my mind; some truths are no more than biased propaganda.

Yes, you are right, but surely all generations should be willing to make the changes needed, and show that we are 'on board' to help and educate those who are turning a blind eye to the crisis we are now in.

I hope this link works as it might explain how this all came about.https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/oct/10/brexit-leaving-eu-farming-agriculture

Buy local and buy better meat. Never buy ‘bargain’ meat in a supermarket, don’t buy Danish bacon. Buy the very best you can afford, it tastes better and will have been raised well.

I thought this simple diagram spoke volumes.

I agree about the hen, Gonegirl. Totally unnecessary.

Just hope that the programme will be shown in the USA, Argentina etc.
The farmers in the UK have for many years tried their hardest to raise beef, in particular, in a way that does not affect the environment. They also, through necessity , are having to look at and use alternative methods of farming.
Maybe we should also stop buying meat that has been farmed overseas - if there is a demand, there will be a supply created.

I agree with every word of that article, Maw. I've been banging the mixed farming drum on gransnet ever since I joined and I speak from experience having moved to East Anglia in 1975. In those days parts of Cambridgeshire were nothing more than a productive wilderness.

DH took part in an extensive tree planting initiative to provide shelter belts and prevent soil erosion. He did the work, his boss got the OBE

He encouraged sheep farmers to strip graze sugar beet tops left after harvest so not only was the over chemically fertilized soil improved but wildlife returned!

It saddens us to see history repeating itself.

seeing the chickens and pigs in factory farming was the worst bit

Many farmers are trying ways to reduce the gases. People will always want some meat. It's good for you.

Slept through most of it. Quite unnecessary to kill that poor little hen though. (I know she was bound for the table anyway, but still )

Our saviours will be the young folk

I wish I shared your optimism, Whitewave

Young folk will need a lot more educating on how to manage our precious resources than just listening to Greta Thurnberg.

Her message isn't difficult to understand - actually changing your lifestyle is far more of a challenge.

www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=2ahUKEwje4uao0IfmAhVGQ8AKHWxhAbgQFjAAegQIAxAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theguardian.com%2Fcommentisfree%2F2018%2Faug%2F25%2Fveganism-intensively-farmed-meat-dairy-soya-maize&usg=AOvVaw2ki57O0vfnrSNE8Jangifz

Vegan is not the answer. Did anybody hear Isabella Tree on Desert Island Discs? There is a powerful argument for stuck farming/wilding too.

Our saviours will be the young folk. Look at Thurnberg And now understand her message.

I watched it and was totally devastated by what I saw. I eat meat but have cut down a lot on the red meat that I eat. In fact I have cut down on the total meat in my diet, and eat a lot of vegetables, which I really like. It appalls me when I see the amount of meat the Americans eat. But what can we do to educate people about the devastation we are causing to our planet?

Recording it

Watching it.