Brexit (so-called) party supports Tories

It is also being stated that as many Brexit organisation candidates are paying there own deposits etc they may well refuse to stand down.

I have only just come in from work but from what I am reading and hearing there is very real hostility in the Farage political Company tonight at what he had stated.

I believe he told the listening audience at lunchtime that, HE MADE UP HIS MIND" on this yesterday evening. Some democracy.

I have said any number of times on this forum that in reality it is Fascist Farage and today he proved that very correct.

What a sh*t this excuse for a human being is.

In a speech in Hartlepool, the Brexit Party leader said he had decided overnight that fighting all 632 seats in England, Scotland and Wales was likely to lead to large numbers of gains by Remain-backing parties including the Liberal Democrats with a hung parliament and second referendum “by far the most likely outcome”.

And he said he had been reassured by “a very clear change of direction” signalled by Mr Johnson in a video posted on social media on Sunday evening, in which the PM promised to negotiate a “super Canada-plus” free trade agreement with the EU and rule out any extension of talks on future relations beyond the end of 2020.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/general-election-news-latest-farage-brexit-party-conservatives-boris-johnson-a9198236.html

The fact is that for more than two and a half years the majority of UK citizens have wanted the UK to Remain in the EU..

Farridge is afraid of democracy.

Oh I agree Grandad, he has no respect for those who follow him and has demonstrated that today. He has said he wishes to target the Labour and LibDem seats, he may well have made a mistake there. When he had one MP in his previous incarnation as UKIP leader, he fell out with him, obviously not a team player. Anyone like to talk up/support this wonderful man and his behaviour today? And no, talking about Corbyn being a member of the Communist Party does not count. Anyone? Thought not

Farridge actually seems to be more afraid of the LibDems than the Labour Party because the LibDems will Stop Brexit and the Labour Party are not sure what they might do,

I suppose he might have made up his mind yesterday evening (who am I to disbelieve such an honest chap?) and I don't suppose it had anything at all with the meeting he had with Johnson on Saturday, which was caught on photo.

Jabberwok I'm not claiming that low income does equate with low intelligence and/or lack of interest in politics. Where did I say anything about intelligence?

However, the Joseph Rowntree Foundation specifically studied people who do have a low income and had not voted in previous elections. They surveyed 10,000 people over three years, which is a lot for any such study.

They found that people on a low income were less likely to vote because they were more likely to be disillusioned with politics and to feel that nobody is listening to them.

Apparently, more low income people voted in 2017 than in 2015 and one of the reasons given was that people felt Corbyn had given them hope.

The reason I looked up the study was because Urmstongran mentioned it. Apparently, there was an article about it in the Guardian, but I always prefer to go back to the source, if I can. It would appear that approximately one million more people on low incomes are intending to vote in this election than in previous ones. Urmstongran said that they could tip the balance and I was interested to find out how they could tip it.

The majority live in the Labour heartlands in the North, but from the evidence in the study, it doesn't look as though many of them will be voting for Brexit & Co. The study breaks them down into various groups and the only sub-group likely to vote Brexit (and then by a narrow margin) is the elderly "traditional working class". Most of the rest intend to vote Labour. Of course, that might not make much difference to anything if they live in strongly Labour constituencies.

Maizie The link is here:

www.jrf.org.uk/

It's the first report about low-income voters, which takes you to a summary. You can then click another link to download the whole report.

Ha! jura What a surprise! So who was it that dissed me when I suggested that was what was going on - presumably it was during the meeting with Johnson on Saturday at Claridges.

Thanks growstuff. I should have known JRF but I get a bit bogged down with initials sometimes- have senior moments

No Grandad The Conservatives are already the largest party (although without an overall majority). The rebel Conservative MPs have mainly been replaced with more compliant leave-supporters. The priority for the Conservatives is to hang on to the seats they have. With the support of the DUP and a few Brexit & Co MPs, they should be able to get anything through parliament - even with a majority of one.

The Conservatives will possibly lose all their Scottish seats, so they can't afford to lose any to the LDs. The Conservatives are lucky at the moment that Labour and the LDs don't seem to be able to come to any kind of agreement.

One way or other, this election is going to throw up some surprises.

The problem is that thew Liberal Democrats are the strongest party of remain but the Labour Party is in an ambigiuous position with a brexiter leader,

If thew Labour Party were to stand down in LD target seats we could stop brexit but it does not appear that Corbyn wants to stop brexit.

Growstuff I am beginning to think I can stand all of this GE fuss, all the lies and obfuscation and tantrums if I can see JRM lose his seat. It would make it all worthwhile.

I think the so called " disenchanted working class pro Remain " vote may have had a chance to realise it didn't actually give the Toffs a kicking. All it did was create an almighty mess.

apologies, of course I mean Leave.

There's a possibility Iain Duncan Smith could lose his seat too.

For election night I am drawing up a list of MPs who I hope will losss their seats. They will then be ranked into 3 groups 1, 2 and 3 depending on how likely they are to lose. If an MP in group 1 loses, I’ll drink one shot, in group 2, two shots etc. I hope to be very very drunk by the end of the night. IDS is on my list

Boris Johnson
Jacob Rees Mogg
Dominic Raab
Pritti Patel
Marc Francois
Iain Duncan Smith
Bill Cash
Marcus Fysh
Sajiv Javid

Liam Fox
Theresa Villiers
Penny Mordaunt
Steve Baker
David Warburton
James not so Cleverly
Kwasi Kwarteng
Esther McVey