Considering voting Labour?

I saw Jeremy Corbyn speak on Saturday. The points he was making were all positive and constructive ones, including a lot on the Green Industrial Revolution, which is an integrated way of dealing with climate change, fuel poverty and creating well paid jobs. It all seemed very doable to me.
He got a lot of applause on the NHS points and on the employment protection issues.
I'm in favour of a second referendum because of something I came across last week. We had a team of young men in who were sorting out the fire alarms in a large building. We got chatting and one of them told me he was 20, chatted about his training and the fact that he was engaged. the other members of the team were a year to 18 months younger, all with aspirations. None of them had the opportunity to vote in the referendum because they were too young, their lives are being affected by the votes of people like my mother who died shortly afterwards and is no longer around to benefit/suffer as a result of her decision. So long has now passed that I don't think it is fair that the people who are moving into their 20's should not now have a say.
I can't say that any of the leaders are 100% my favourites for the role within their parties. If the choice was between Rishi Sunak, Jess Phillips and Chuka Umunna I'd have more confidence.
I will be voting Labour again this time (last time was the first time) I'd like to see a government that really does care about the disabled, older people and those who are struggling on minimum wage and universal credit.

But hey, if it wins votes who cares if it actually works or not..

As I have already said, if a policy has been trialed and failed at local levels, rolling it out nationally is idiotic.

This does not mean that I don't want housing tackled. It means that labour's approach of ploughing ahead even if the evidence demands a rethink, is both wasteful and likely to do more harm than good.

There may be some notanan2 but there are probably far more people who want a truly socialist government. Older people like me who watched New Labour sell out to the Tories so even the Lib Dems were further left than them and younger people who have seen the damage and experienced it and don't want to live in the sort of society where profit is the only motive, the rich prosper and the poor fall further behind. But anyway the policies of this Labour party are not far left. They are centre left. They just aren't the right wing policies of the past. Interesting that you can't support any of them. Not even those on decent housing or taking back ownership of the railways which is supported by so many.

I'll try this again:

'left wing views held by people who consider themselves to be 'right wing'

There's nothing wrong with Labour's policies, notanan, it's their Brexit stance that's p*ssing people off, and the determined anti-semitism smear campaign.

There aren't policies this time round that appeal to many left and centre leaning voters. That is the problem!
People who previously voted labour no longer feel represented by them.
See all the threads about voters (many ex labour voters) who feel politically homeless at the moment!

Could you explainwhat left wing policies are supported by those who dislike Labour then notanan2? Someone may claim not to be right wing but support policies which are.

Did anyone watch Politics Live. There was a review of a book called "Good Economics for Hard Times: better answers to our biggest problems". The economist was rather more honest about the big figures - GDP, etc., - than we normally get from politicians and was talking about "people centred" economics, which, she was saying is easier to do accurately than the big figures. There was a bit of talk at the end which made me want to hear more. Did anyone else see it?

Labour Imminent announcement on WASPI

It just sounds cultish when labour supporters dismiss all decent & critique of your good leader as obviously just ignorant mail reading evil Tories.

That kind of tribalistic dogmatic mentality is scary and I will vote against the party that is encouraging it!

Dismissing all labour critics as right wing/tories is just weak debating.

It is often left voters who have nobody to vote for who have most reason to be disappointed in, and critical of, labour!

However, that should be no surprise as whenever rightwing thinkers and Brexitiers are asked any direct questions in regard to their reasoning, no reply is ever forthcoming.

You know that not everyone who is left likes labour?

Disliking labour does not make you right wing. It just makes you not a fan of labour...

Brexit debate is totally divided and it is time wasting to debate at this stage.

Corbyn is offering a referendum to allow the voter to accept/decline the WA

Job done.

Now move onto other important stuff.

It would be, if the debate over Brexit were indeed over … but it isn't - and won't be for a very long time. It's a vote losing strategy.

Labour is beginning to follow the 2017 result in the polls. The difference is that the Tories are behind what they were in 2017 and don’t seem to have any strategy

Beth Rigby@bethrigby
Good Corbyn interview via ⁦*@GuardianHeather*⁩
- Says Brexit policy must stand. Time to move onto social justice/climate emergency
- He took unilateral decision to go for GE
- He’s not going to attack Johnson personally: “They go low we go high”

Corbyn has told his cabinet that the debate over Brexit is over.

The focus must shift to social justice and climate.

Good strategy.

Save 20 per cent? I think not.

Thanks grandad for you informed posting

Well, it would seem that Pantglas2 or no other forum member engaged in the discussion on zero hours contracts and self-employed Gig Economy workers are prepared to inform me and others how such persons should put twenty percent of their very unstable and often meagre earnings into savings each week.

However, that should be no surprise as whenever rightwing thinkers and Brexitiers are asked any direct questions in regard to their reasoning, no reply is ever forthcoming.

In addition to my above post @20:54, I would point out that joint court actions by a number of Trade unions against several companies using Gig Economy terms of employment has resulted in them winning those actions.

Several of the fast-food companies have now ceased engaging workers on such terms due to that court action. However, such terms of employment are still widespread throughout many industries in Britain and the Supreme Court are at present investigating whether such employment terms should be ruled illegal under present legislation.

The Trades Unions have appealed to the Tory Government several times following their victories in the courts to change employment legislation to make such employment practices illegal thereby mitigating the need for further legal action on their part. However, the government has consistently refused to bring forward such changes.

In responce, those Tory governments have just brought forward more anti-trade union legislation in regard to "checkoff" terms of subscription to them.

Totally disgusting.

Pantglas2 Quote [ Anyone with any nous to be self employed would know to put 20per cent in a savings account wouldn’t they? If not, then they shouldn’t be self-employed without good financial advice.] End Quote.

Pantglas2, Anyone with any nous of being self-employed would know that Gig Economy terms of employment is in reality self-employment.

Those in the Gig economy are contracted to work for a company as self-employed, but clauses are placed in the contract that they are on call to that company at any time the organisation contracting them may wish.

A clause is normally also placed in the contract to state that the Gig Economy contractor will not carry out work for any other company while the contract with the first company is in force.

Many such Gig Economy contracts have been given out to those working in the fast-food delivery sector and in that are accompanied by hourly rates of remuneration inline with the minimum wage.

So Pantglas2, please inform me how such Gig Economy Self Employed workers would be able to place twenty percent of such earnings into savings when employed in such conditions?

Anyone with any nous to be self employed would know to put 20per cent in a savings account wouldn’t they? If not, then they shouldn’t be self employed without good financial advice.

notanan For anyone that is self employed the student loan repayment is calculated be reference to their taxable profits and it is added to their tax liability for the year. Until they know their profits they cannot know the amount that they will have to repay.

Do you really not understand about zero hours contracts and how they are used notanan2 A worker is only given work if the employer chooses to give it. So upset the apple cart by complaining, reporting a dodgy contract or any other infringement and you will find your self without work for quite a while. Minimum hour contracts state how many hours you work each week, and the employer can't change that.
There are problems with permanent contracts and employees do take action against employers, but it takes a lot of effort and time.
It is difficult to enforce legal work -related legislation. If you are interested look at "Pregnant then screwed" a website for women who are dismissed because they are pregnant. But just because it's difficult to enforce doesn't mean we shouldn't have legislation.

Nobody seems to talk about my Care job?

Or a new development...AC, flat rented, quite literally crumbling?