So it's Boris

I imagine those around at the time said to each other that the Charge of the Light Brigade was a "bold gamble" too Lemongrove. Some people never learn do they? And of course consequences are for the little people aren't they.

By heck GGM3 you’re going back a bit?
The consequences will be greater for Johnson though, if it doesn’t pay off, and for the Conservative Party.
I always thought ‘the little people’ were leprechauns btw.

It is a phrase being used quite frequently lemongrove. It's seems to have originally come from an Article called "The Ham of Fate" by Fintana O'Toole about Johnson and the books he has written here:

www.nybooks.com/articles/2019/08/15/boris-johnson-ham-of-fate/

10 big wins from just leaving the EU on 31 October

By JOHNREDWOOD | Published: JULY 8, 2019

We can

Spend all the money we save on our priorities

Cut tariffs on imports especially where we cannot grow or make them for ourselves

Remove VAT from items as we wish – as with green items like insulation and boiler controls and feminine hygiene products

Rebuild our fishing grounds and land more of our own fish for home consumption

Work with our farmers to cut food miles and enjoy more home grown produce

Regain our seat and vote in international bodies

Sign Free trade deals that suit us with other countries – all the time we were member s they never managed an FTA with the USA and many Commonwealth countries

Decide our own laws

Cut the costs of government by getting rid of a whole unnecessary EU level

Avoid all the financial and foreign policy risks of the Euro and common EU foreign policy

"Spend all the money we save on our priorities"

So what money is that? Exact amount over the exact period please, plus some idea of the services we are loosing that this money (exactly) pays for currently and the cost to us of replacing those services.

We'll go back to the others if/when I get an answer.

You may not like all that he has said and done in the past, but if you are an enthusiast for leaving Europe, do watch to this video and consider what he says about exactly what is ahead of us.
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Tony Blair on power.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXXaX9W6daE

Elegran

If Tony Blair /Gordon Brown had not signed us up to the ruddy Lisbon Treaty without a Referendum as they promised the EU Refendum in 2016 might never have taken place.

If the view of the people had been saught from John Major / Maastericht onwards then the EU Referendum in 2016 might never have taken place.

Oh, this crisis is nothing to do with the Tory Party whatsoever.

Excuses.....Excuses......Excuses, as usual from the right wing on the forum.

POGS I did say to ignore what you dislike about the man and "listen to what he says in this video" about what we are sailing blithely into at this moment.

We are about to be small fish in an ocean full of large piranhas. We'd do better in a shoal of EU countries than as solitary minnows. That is small as in size and all the national pride we can muster can't shrink the enormous size and economies of the three big players in the global power struggle that has been unfolding and will continue to get even fiercer.

We have been so long as one of the big important economies that it is hard to imagine life any other way, but it is not playing down our nation to remove the blinkers and see the playing field clearly.

Playing fields usually contain teams of players, who work as a unit, plan tactics, hone their composite game, study the game plans of their opponents and combine to outflank and outplay them. They have a corporate strategy which gives them more power and influence than each individual could possibly exert on his own.

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Do we have to have blatant political party propaganda?

mother and guardian of Brexit omg this sounds like Mussolini.

It never ceases to amaze me that rabid brexiteers spout about democracy being respected then encourage people to support the Brexit party which has one person decide all it will carry out.

Support Fascist Farage and gain democracy. You could not make it up, could you?

Yorath0:
The Brexit Party more than a political party. It is about Brexit and that is a concept in the hearts and minds of millions of British people. The Brexit Party is more than a mere political party – it is a concept

I think the needle got stuck.

The fascist propaganda has been deleted.

My above post was made at the same time as Yorath0 latest post was being deleted. Therefore apologies to forum members if my post does not now make entire sense on reading now.

makes totaly sense still Grandad, thanks.

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so, that is the future of things to come? Are you Cummings himself or just a sad rep?

That will kill GN faster than a n*cle*r b*mb

How can it be nothing to do with the Conservatives when "Call me Dave" lit the blue, whistled a merry tune and disappeared?

touchpaper.

"I have the understanding" - doesn't sound like Cummings who I think can speak English. Probably another worker in a Ukrainian fake news factory.

"Do we have to have blatant political party propaganda?"
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We have always had it!

Oh how I wish the links to political propaganda sites/tweets were banned by Gransnet too.

Each to his own.