Next Tory Leader.

The latest (I think thirteenth) candidate for the Tory Leadership is Sam Gyimah who backs further referendum .

He'd be my choice but I'm not a Tory. I suspect he'll be the first to be eliminated.

There are the same number of Tory Remainers as there are Labour Leavers in Britain (3.5 million each). Its about time the former got some attention

twitter.com/election_data/status/1133852693133500417

grannygravy. Two thing matter for us to sustain democracy although Farage and Javid have only hooked into one. The are the consent of the loser - which must be willing consent or you are telling me you back a dictatorship.

The other, which they dare not mention, is that for democracy to thrive you must have democratic legitimacy. If you can't convince the 'loser' that the vote was legitimate why should they consent? You will be telling me next that I have to "genteelly" accept the drug taking Russians as gold medal winners. I don't and your pathetic suggestion of Hyacinth Bucket pseudo "good manners", when it comes to the future of the country, is hardly likely to make me.

Rory Stewart seems like the most sensible of the candidates but he is still a Conservative so his voting record looks perfectly consistent with Conservative views.

I saw a bit of Esther McVey on the Victoria Derbyshire show this morning talking about disability benefits. Victoria Derbyshire was reading out letters from people who were ill and or disabled and their experiences at the hands of the DWP. Esther McVey just talked over the top of the readings and didn't address any of the points made.

GGMK3 I am of the opinion that manners should not be considered “pathetic”.

“Manners maketh Man(Woman)”

'Good manners' have to be abandoned if one is about to be completely trampled.

If our MPs could manage to treat each other, the electorate and those who they wish to negotiate with, with respect and a large “dose” of good manners I believe we would not be in this terrible shambles.

Britain then demanded a full tariff-free trade agreement without the free movement of labour.

Indeed Grandad and this in my opinion should never have happened. Wanting no more than to strike a deal at that juncture meant we didn't leave and gave our power away to Brussels. May was always on the back foot. We should have cut the ties, ie: left, and THEN played ball with the EU. We'd have been in a much stronger bargaining position given they need our markets and goods too. How hard could that have been?

Our negotiating was like something from a Monty Python/Harry Enfield sketch.

May: We are going to leave, and take our £39 BILLION with us but first we need to agree to a trade deal with you Monsieur Barnier. Please.

Barnier: Hmmm. So, Mrs May, you want a trade deal with the EU?

May: Oh yes please sir...er...Monsieur. We'd be ever so grateful if that could be arranged shortly.

Barnier goes off and chats with Tusk in a back room.

Tusk: Remember Michel. A successful Brexit poses an existential threat to the EU. It cannot happen on THEIR terms. It's a good job the Brits showed their hand at the beginning. Silly fools. Can you believe they took NO DEAL off the table too? <both men roll on the floor, tears flowing, convulsed with laughter> I have a feeling they want to remain with us. However, we have them over a barrel now. Do your worst Michel. It has to be as difficult as possible for the UK to leave - it can be Leave in name only. No concessions. Leave means Remain. Got it?

Barnier: <goes back to the British PM> Well my dear, I cannot promise anything. I'll have to talk with the chaps but I'll get back to you. (Exit the French man rubbing his hands gleefully)

Two years later:

Mrs May: Bonjour Monsieur Barnier. We are still no closer to leaving, are we?

Barnier: No Theresa. You have the patience of a saint but we did cobble together a deal which suits us. We think it's fair. What a pity UK MPs have rejected it. We can do no more, you know?

Mrs May: Oh yes, it's very fair and we could continue to be in the EU too, couldn't we? I like it! I am not sure I can get this through parliament. I'll try again (and again and again). Thanks ever so much Michel.

A year later.

Mrs May: Hello Michel. We still want to leave, sort of, y'know, maybe, but it's proving difficult because parliament have said no to the deal and want us to continue giving you and all the other member states power over us and we'll continue to give you billions too, naturally. You'll have to up the stakes I'm afraid. How about we give you a few billion more? Could that work?

Barnier: Yeah. We were generous but perhaps a few more EU conditions and another UK billion or so would meet with UK approval?

Mrs May. It might work. We seem to have reached an impasse though. <thinks> I know what Michel. I have an idea. How about YOU tell us how we should leave??

Barnier: <twists invisible black moustache in Machiavellian fashion>

But Theresa my dear, you gave us that power from the start, silly girl. <He pats her head> Perhaps you should stick to flower arranging and admiring fluffy kittens? Send Mr Corbyn over next time.

Sketch ends with music from Hotel California.

“Relax” said the night man,

We are programmed to receive.

You can check out any time you like,

But you can never leave.”

Day6 so true!!!!

Day6
And every word is true.
Re the no deal. Do you remember the scene in the Guy Verhofstadt film where no deal was mentioned? They were running around like a rabbit in the headlights.

Grannygravy there are manners and manners. I would not support lies and illegal acts just for your "How To Get On In Society" view of manners. I'm afraid you will find many people hold the truth higher than that sort of play-acting. I can't believe you are suggesting democracy comes below impressing the neighbours!

GGMK3 I have no need to “impress my neighbours” what an odd thing to say.

I stick by politeness.

Unfortunately the truth has a habit of becoming distorted!

Just general information MD as he is a runner in the candidate stakes and I thought (considering he is very popular on here) that it might be of interest - any maybe surprise - to see how he has voted in the past. Although as Maw intelligently questioned, was he whipped for some of the votes?

He'd be my choice but I'm not a Tory. I suspect he'll be the first to be eliminated.
I'm not sure about that
Perhaps Mark Harper, as many people would be asking Mark Who?
Although I know who he is

I see that the Tory entitled *Nineteen Twenty Two Committee" is now requesting that some of the thirteen candidates stand down before the ballot has even begun.

They have stated that there must be a wish to get the process of electing the next Prime Minister quickly so urgent matter facing this country can be dealt with. However, so far no one has withdrawn, and there are rumours that others may even join the malaise.

Therefore to me, it is looking increasingly likely that Theresa May in her role of "caretaker Prime Minister" will have to request a further extension of artical fifty at the end of October, as elimination ballots will still be taking place on that date.

What was it that May stated on her election as leader, "strong and stable government for Britain."

I believe this situation has proven that many sitting on the Tory benches in the House of Commons are even now nothing but self-seeking in their approach to the crisis they have brought this nation into.

Typical Tory philosophy "Britain for the few and not the many."

Link to the above can be found here:-
www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-politics-48493432

Granddad1943, you mean like the Labour entitled Momentum? and the malaise of the small coterie surrounding Jeremy Corbyn?

What have the Labour Party got to do with it?

M0nica, the Labour Party is not the party of Government in Britain at this time of crisis and division as that accolade is firmly in the hands of the gang of incompetents known as the Conservative Party.

As crystaltipps has stated above, the Labour party has nothing to do with this situation. It would seem that the Tory party cannot even organise an election of a leader without that further raising the Brexit Crisis to even higher levels, and that involves us all.

I stick by politeness.
Unfortunately the truth has a habit of becoming distorted!
(Mon 03-Jun-19 18:28:37)

So you put your "idea" of politeness GrannyGravy13 - made up this century or was it the last - in front of my choice of what I believe to be the truth and you also think you can tell me what to do and what to believe and that you are therefore polite?

I have heard people say that we are not divided by politics but by culture and I am beginning to think they are right. I have a feeling, however, that in any culture, you would be seen to lack "manners" in behaving as if it is your right to dictate thought and action to others - unless we suddenly have Farage's Stasi of course.

I do not think you get my point Grandad1943 my post referred to the convoluted language you were using, not the politics you were expressing.

You were taking a very serious point that the 1922 Committee were trying to thin down the number of people standing for the leadership of the Conservative party in order to shorten the leadership contest and making it appear trivial by your use of language. Tory entitled 1922 Committee, what on earth does that mean - and with the Committee bit meant to be in quotes. presumably suggesting that this was not its real name.

And by 'malaise' do you mean that all the candidates are ill?

I think this is the first time I have ever picked anyone up on language, but Grandad1943, you are a sensible and thoughtful man who usually make good points well articulated in your posts, although I do not always agree with them. Using language like this demeans you and trivialises your arguments. More Mrs Malaprop than granddad1943

Doing a Gabriella M0nica? Not on really is it.

I have just run your post through my software. I would ensure you are accurate before you criticise others M0nica. Specks and planks come to mind.

Doesn't Grandad often use a speech to text programme to 'write' his posts? In which case the points MOnica picked up on are easier to understand.

I suspect that 'malaise' is meant to be 'melee' (sorry, haven't done the necessary accent).
'Entitled' is just a clumsy way to say 'called' or 'named'.

Well, that's how I read it.

Me too Maizie. The day we need an English degree before posting will be a very sad one but I do wish our "holier than thou" levels were tested. I am really quite surprised to see M0nica making such comments but then we don't know people do we

GGMK3 You are entitled to believe whatever you like (which is something I have repeatedly posted).