Labour official blames all world wars on Jews.

Actually Anja in both the Palestinian people ( and Israel for balance) and NI and in many many countries where there are historic and topical divisions, there are lots of literate and well educated that also cling to historic hatred, they don’t need to be illiterate or ignorant to do that.

Just saying!

Not in my experience or by my definition of literate and educated.

Scottish poet Tom Leonard died this week ,he wrote a fantastic peom about the Palestinian situation and the Israeli Victims by proxy who get awy literally with murder because of the past .You'll find it on the internet .

Thanks paddyann didn't realise he had gone.
GrannyGravy13 I could not live in a country where the PM was a "friend" of terrorists.
Actually you already do. Try googling Saudi and terrorism or this from Wiki
Saudi Arabia arguably remains the most prolific sponsor of international Islamist terrorism, allegedly supporting groups as disparate as the Afghanistan Taliban, Al Qaeda, Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT) and the Al-Nusra Front.[101][102]
And then look for pictures of Mrs May entertaining the Saudi royal family. But they are different aren't they?Why? Because the right wing press like to keep quiet about them.

There is nothing hidden away about any PM having to entertain/host SA on occasions, as we do with many many countries.It doesn’t mean that our PM ( whoever it is) considers themselves a personal friend.

A PM has to entertained heads of countries so to bring up a visit with the Saudi Royal family is a poor defence to defend Corbyn for acknowledging terrorists with laying a wreath in tribute to them.

Ah lemon the old ruse of 'if something is indefensible try to deflect!'.
I believe "friend" is in inverted commas, meaning I think slightly more than a personal friend. But don't let that distract you. The complicated and quite frankly disgusting links between this government, the Saudi royal family, international terrorism and the war in Yemen may be dismissed by you but some of us recognise that there are unacceptable links with terrorists and the arms trade. And that the condemning of Hamas as a terrorist organisation is much easier than actually looking at where weapons really come from and who funds wars. A government with a conscience would have taken steps to address the problem.

If we get down to basics the Israelis stole this land from the Palestinians. Truly one man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter.

No deflection at all trisher my comment just happens to be a fact.You may not like it, but that’s another story!

Annie the people who died in Syria and Afghanistan might disagree with you. Don't you care that the Saudis fund such conflicts and our government entertains them? I know you hate Corbyn but surely you recognise there are other unacceptable forces at work and condemn them. Or are some terrorists more acceptable than others?

Actually, any deflection is by you trisher as this thread is not about Saudi Arabia.

‘You hate Corbyn ‘. Yawn

The position of TM and indeed other PMs on SA is entirely relevant to this thread. It is deplorable that the British government sells arms to governments like that.

Some seem to think Corbyn supports terrorists by his anti-Israel stance, whereas our PM clearly supports a regime like the Saudies who openly commit mass murder. But then they are wealthy are they not and have something we in the West need unlike poverty-sticken Palestine.

We know by now that some ardent left wingers here support and recognise Marxist Corbyn as being the second coming, and he, along with all powerful hard left Momentum in the background. will cure all the world's ills and wipe out poverty and suffering in one fell swoop.

He'll also ban the making of arms and the UK's defence budget will no longer exist, because any war-mongering/terrorist enemies will come to their senses when he calls them 'friends'. He'll understand though the radicals and religious fundamentalists in our midst who have points to make....they'll talk about home made bombs over tea.

Using the arms trade as an excuse for Corbyn's nasty anti Israel stance, and terrorist supporting gaffes as a stick to beat ANY government is pretty desperate trisher.

Or will there not be an army, navy and air force or an arms trade, weaponry, and military forces when socialists are in charge of the country???

Just asking. I think every PM in my lifetime has had to accept that the industry surrounding weapons exists and the makers of arms also supply them because - well, there would be no point making them otherwise.

In an ideal world there'd be no need, but we know Corbyn and co are not likely to create any sort of socialist/Marxist heaven on earth if other hellish socialist regimes are anything to go by.

I suppose that the great Marxist, Lenin, killed 4 million people by other means than weaponry, then.

On 21st January 1924, Vladimir Lenin, the great Marxist and leader of the Russian Revolution, died from complications arising from an earlier assassin’s bullet.
Ironic.

Dy6 I don't propose to get into silly arguments with you. There are those of us who are grateful for the support we received courtesy of the socialist policies introduced post WW2 and who wish to pass those same levels of support on to our children and grandchildre; and there are those who deny any such support and would not only kick the hand that fed them, but make damn sure no one else is fed.
They are usually the same people who post about the sacrifices made by British soldiers, but are quite happy to see those who funded the conflicts royally entertained.
My principles may be hard to acheive but at least I have some.

I too have principles trisher as do all here. It is my principles which make it impossible for me to support Corbyn . I am no Scarlet O’Hara, ‘ if I have to lie , cheat, kill’

Day6 another failing of the far left is to fondly imagine that only they have any principles.

Another failing of the right is to post meaningless comments and refuse to engage in proper discussion (probably because they don't have a leg to stand on.)

Go and have a large Baileys trisher it will do you good.
My comment may have been pointed ( in your direction) but wasn’t pointless.

Compassion, caring, wanting the best for other people and having a heart/giving of time and efforts to improve the world in small ways are values of most people, many of them with no interest in politics or current MPs.

Labour does not have the monopoly on compassion.

Being poor doesn't make one somehow noble and good and being well off does not turn a person into a heartless bastard.

Although Labour spin would have us believe otherwise.

And most of us do have principles. We just don't see the world through your socialist/Marxist tinted spectacles. Under Corbyn's leadership hatred seems to prevail, setting people against each other. It's ironic, isn't it? The young left chant 'death to all Tories; without a second thought imagining anyone not voting for Corbyn's version of how it should work is callous and selfish.

That in itself is worrying - and pretty nasty.

I wonder if those who are vehemently against the arms trade would be happy to see the tens of thousands of people who are currently employed in the industry, from research, design and through to manufacture would be happy to see them on the "dole"?

Are they happy to live in a country which is unable to defend itself or those who need protection?

GrannyGravy13 perhaps you can explain to me how selling arms to Saudi, some of which have been shown to finish up in the possession of Isamic extremists, is helping British defence.
Oh lemon pointed and pointless!! (but if you can quote one single issue I raised that you have posted real, interesting or informed comment about I will apologise.)

Going back to the time I changed my opinion on Corbyn, just learning he was working against the party and party members who were realing after the crushing 1983 election.

And he invited two former IRA leaders to Westminster just a short time after the Brighton bombing, people were grieving and he had no compassion, if he can do this he is a man not capable of compassion , he is a cold fish