No Deal and supply of medicines

Emily Thornberry: Labour will “probably” vote for the Conservatives’ Brexit deal
Labour to vote AGAINST Brexit deal signals Emily Thornberry in major blow for Theresa May

Today:
Labour's Emily Thornberry today accused a BBC journalist of "swallowing Number 10 propaganda" in a live TV clash over Brexit .
The Shadow Foreign Secretary turned her fire on TV host Andrew Marr as he dared to question her about Labour's stance on leaving the EU.

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Me too
So's Emily

sorry - a link:
www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/emily-thornberry-accuses-bbc-journalist-13415435
But some Labour MPs, including Caroline Flint, look set to back the plan anyway - because they fear rejecting it would hurl Britain into a more damaging No Deal Brexit.

Somebody said those who opposed the way jura had been spoken about on this thread were obvious remainers. I thought jura was described in very rude terms and I did vote remain. However, I have said on many occasions that my vote was unenthusiastically cast, and that I understood why my husband had voted to leave.

However, having seen the utter mess that has resulted from the leave decision, I believe that Brexit may well be a disaster. You only have to watch the news and read the newspapers to see that if anyone is "running around like headless chickens" it is Mrs May and her government. Having messed up practically everything they have touched domestically, this government is now in danger of leading this country into one hell of a mess.

To be fair - do any of them know what it's all about?

'we are an island,'

Jalima: confused yet again
I thought Switzerland was land-locked.
Am I missing something here?

Yes, you are, again, big time. Because we are both British, and because we have lived in the UK all our adult life, and for OH from the age of 2, because we have no pension or income other than from the UK, because our kids, our grandkids, most of our family and friends - live in the UK. Because we always intended to come back to the UK at some point, because we have property in the UK ready for that purpose, because he spent his life devoted to the NHS, and me to State education, yes, in the UK - I could go on, but that will do.

And we take no joy at all in watching the Conservative Party implode- as it will take the UK with them. Now someone rudely mentionned headless chickens - can you see them now?

Is referring to chickens as “headless” necessarily rude?
#unfairtochickens

BTW Did anybody see the Hen Racing on last nights “Countryfile”?

As always, depends on context.

Yes I did - it was fun.

Now - back to Brexit. What do you think about the events of the last 2 days - and could we have your wisdom and forecast for the next few days? It's going swimmingly, no?

Ok Jura we have all got your message loud and clear.
What would you like us to do about it?
For the life of me I can’t think of anything that would make any difference to anything.
I’m prepared to be educated.

At this stage, it is all a bit late.

But you could certainly sing the Gov.uk petition saying that Brexit has to be cancelled in case of No Deal. I have.

Oh, I see jura

I have family living overseas, some in Europe too, and they tend not to refer to the UK as if they are living here when they are not actually in situ iyswim.

could we have your wisdom and forecast for the next few days?
I will go and consult my cousin Cassandra. The trouble is, no-one ever believes her.

And go on the march in London next week. Sadly have had to cancel my journey over due to unexpected and difficult circumstances- you could take my place.

Certainly not!

But you could certainly sing the Gov.uk petition saying that Brexit has to be cancelled in case of No Deal. I have

Sadly, can’t hold a tune.

How does it go?

Stop paying attention to the media ( ‘nobody has a clue what’s going on ‘etc) every meeting with the EU leaders from the UK government is slobbered over ad nauseam by them, ‘will he?’ ‘Does she?’.....
All it does is fuel dismay, worry and the belief that nobody knows what they are doing.
Both sides want the best deal they can get for themselves, why not allow Raab and others a bit of quiet to actually do it.
Everything comes at you in fever pitch and hysteria these days.

Maw?

If you can't sing it- just sign it- that will do. Thanks

It is fever ptich and hysteria time for sure now -on the brink of disaster and WTO rules. If it happens, you will perhaps get a bit upset too.

Did predict some time back that the Irish border, and a handful of DUP MPs and the lovely Arlene- would be the final straw that broke this very sick camel's back.

If you don't believe that the UK is in a VERY difficult situation now - then, well - what can anyone say. Bonne chance.

I imagine whole departments on the supply side of the NHS are working flat out to establish alternative sources in case their regular ones are affected, at the same time as negotiating teams are working to establish the conditions of Brexit. Piling faggots around their knees and and setting light to them doesn't help. They need their feet free to manoeuvre.

lemon your faith in the ability of the government to sort out this mess is touching, if a little frightening. Did you read about it on the side of a bus?

That’s hilarious and novel Gill ( never heard that one before)
Of course, if Corbyn was PM he would sort out the best deal ever in an instant........wouldn’t he, wouldn’t he?
We have to let them get on and do the dealing, and as Elegran says they need their feet free to manoevre.

Jalima- do you relatives work there- or are they totally dependent on UK pensions only and reciprocal health care agreement (S1)? I do believe it makes a huge difference, depending where your total income comes from, perhaps.

Yes, Gill - this total trust in a Government that has so far, made a total pig's ear of it, and still can't agreem AMONG THEMSELVES, what kind of Brexit they want - and are no led by the nose by the lovely Arlen and a handful of DUP MPs- must either be totally naïve - or ... I just can't say.

If a human or animal is surrounded by exploding fire, and just sits there singing lalalalala trust and all will be well- there is probably something not quite right - to say the least.

Elegran says they need their feet free to manoevre.

But they don't have their feet free to manoeuvre.

What is more, it isn't treasonous Remainers who are impeding progress; it's Leavers within the tory party (icluding Cabinet Ministers) who are fighting over what form Brexit should take and the DUP, without whom May's government will fall, who are forging the shackles. It is complete political chaos. and none of them have the good of the country at heart. They are destroying it while we Remainers all look on in fascinated horror.

Glad to make you laugh lemon, but please, I am not, and never have been, a supporter of Corbyn, and no, I don't think he would necessarily make a better job of it, but this isn't the real issue is it? Even with your touching faith that everything will be ok just as long as we all trust the government to get on with it, even you have to admit that this is a bloody mess? We are in a terrible state when someone like Arlene Foster ( who should be in court, facing charges of fraud imo) holds the democratically elected government to ransom, so much for taking back control eh?

So we go from being one of the most influential partners in the EU, with exceptions no other partner has ever been able to acquire, and doing really well after the financial crisis -

to being led by the lovely Arlene and 10 DUP MPs. Yep- that is what I would call taking back control. And over a barrel from said previous partners for most of our major utilities, transport, medicines and so much more.

As Craig would say 'fa - boooo - lous'.

I don't know jura, never ask them about their financial arrangements. One at least used to work for the EU though - so where will that pension come from?

Indeed jura, truly fabulous. Still, it will all be wonderful when we have cast off the shackles of the EU, got back control of our borders ( apart from leaving a great big door wide open in Ireland), taken back control ( and given it to a bloody crook who is not even able/permitted to be part of her own government), and able to make our own laws.....sounds good doesn't it? I hope the blue passports are worth it, mind you, we won't need them to sit in a traffic jam in Kent, sharing port-a-loos with lorry drivers.