So, the supply of all essential food and medication can be flown into Britain in the event of an emergency through the ports following Brexit?
I believe that 44% of Britain's food is currently transported through various JIT road transport services from Europe. In the event of severe disruption through the ports should air transport be chosen as an option, all that essential freight would have to be transported to European air bases instead of the ports. There the freight would require transfer loading onto aircraft and then flown to air bases in the United Kingdom.
On arrival, that freight would need again transfer onto trucks to be transported to any number of distribution centres that the consignments were destined for. There, the normal JIT, cross dock operations would not be set up in the vast majority of cases to handle loads arriving in such circumstances, and emergency arrangements would have to be introduced and accommodated for (if possible) again at huge cost?
In the foregoing, It would be very questionable if sufficient air freight aircraft would be available to transport the thousands of tons of freight that would require movement on a daily basis, with as stated, the cost being unimaginable. In addition, with a large number of JIT services not operating any number of additional HGV vehicles and drivers would have " conjured up" from somewhere to meet demand?
What would all the above be required for (dare I suggest) so a few Brexitiers could wave the Union Jack and shout "Great Britain"
Rediculas.
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(547 Posts)GNHQ have commented on this thread. Read here.
just a bit of 'mithering' here:
www.facebook.com/FullEnglishBrexit/videos/1929957283964805/
Back to Euratom- does the Deal allow us access to isotopes- or not?
Who the dickens thought that by leaving that we'd be better off ?
Those voters had better think again.
During the G20 summit where you had some of the richest people including China's richest man who owns Britain's Sunseeker yachts as well as a development in Battersea among other things had said that Brexit would be a bad move for investors. Catastrophic in fact. The head of Qantas couldn't shout loud enough for Britain to remain in the EU. Qantas executive had stated that " what has happened in the EU in terms of free trade and growth activity has been good for the EU and the UK ".
Brexit will definitely have a negative impact on businesses and the threat of leaving will have a devastating effect on global recovery.
60% of small businesses wanted to remain.TM should have listened to George Osborne who before the vote in 2016 had said that an exit from the EU would " be a shock to the economy ".
Bad as things are at the present moment when you have big businesses pulling out of our towns----it'll be far worse next year as nobody will want to invest in this country and could you blame them ? People are taking their money and running and we'll be left like a third world country having to fight for everything. Disastrous !
Jura (I post this link purely as information found, without grinding any axe in any direction, so please don't shoot the messenger.)
At www.burges-salmon.com/news-and-insight/legal-updates/exiting-euratom-an-update-on-the-impact-of-brexit-on-the-nuclear-industry/ it says
"The UK government has confirmed that all of the nuclear elements of the Withdrawal Agreement are now agreed with the EU. The key outstanding point therefore remains the status of future arrangements for the supply of nuclear fuel which have not yet been agreed due to the fact such arrangements are considered to be part of the Future Trade Agreement between the EU and UK, which cannot be finalised until after the UK has left the EU and Euratom on 29 March 2019."
and further down the page
"While the UK government continues to negotiate the Withdrawal Agreement with the EU, it has been progressing its no-deal contingency planning in parallel. The UK government has recently:
confirmed that replacement Nuclear Cooperation Agreements (NCAs) with key nuclear trading partners (the USA, Canada, Australia and Japan) are on track for ratification by 29 March 2019
signed a replacement, bilateral voluntary offer safeguards agreement with the International Atomic Energy Agency that is on track for ratification by 29 March 2019
adopted its own domestic Safeguards legislation and issued safeguards regulations for consultation
stated that the Office for Nuclear Regulation is making good progress in recruiting safeguards inspectors to replace those previously provided by Euratom."
This was dated 22 October 2018 so may need updating.
Good
Thank you Elegran. Yes, a relief- providing with go with the Deal and not NO Deal.
Potentially useful fallback agreements mentioned are
"The UK government has recently:
confirmed that replacement Nuclear Cooperation Agreements (NCAs) with key nuclear trading partners (the USA, Canada, Australia and Japan) are on track for ratification by 29 March 2019
signed a replacement, bilateral voluntary offer safeguards agreement with the International Atomic Energy Agency that is on track for ratification by 29 March 2019
I see that page has links to other articles on
the high level impacts of Brexit on the UK nuclear sector, transition and leaving Euratom
the safeguards arrangements in the UK before Brexit
the impact of Brexit on UK safeguards
the role played by nuclear safeguards in international trade
the UK’s options for leaving the Euratom Community.
which might all prove interesting reading.
Labour MP Paul Williams and Conservative MP Sarah Woolaston on why, as clinicians in Parliament, they want a People’s Vote
"There is no version of Brexit which will benefit the NHS, social care, public health or our life sciences sector, only varying degrees of harm. This, together with the wider economic fallout from Brexit, will have the hardest impact on the most disadvantaged in society.
Brexit reality is vastly different to the fantasy Brexit miss-sold to the public during the referendum campaign. The promise on the side of the bus of an extra £350m per week has crashed into the inconvenient truth that there is no Brexit bonanza for the NHS, only a Brexit penalty. The committee heard evidence that pharmaceutical companies are already spending hundreds of millions on contingency planning. Ultimately these costs will be passed on to the NHS and taxpayers, money that would be far better spent investing in patient care. The costs will only increase as the clock ticks down to March 29. Stockpiling and refrigerated warehousing do not come cheap, let alone chartering special air freight for medical radioisotopes and other essential supplies with short shelf lives. Many companies are already concluding that is in their best interests to relocate or at least halt investment in the UK as a direct result of the uncertainty and disruption."
www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/paul-williams-sarah-wollaston-as-both-doctors-and-mps-this-is-why-we-want-a-peoples-vote-1-5778018
Well I can't think of anything that would bring about more uncertainty and disruption, than the length of time it would take to organise another peoples' vote.
The biggest cause of uncertainty and disruption IMO is whether or not TM can get this deal through, whether she'll be ousted by those self serving idiots who have nothing to offer and whether we'll end up with a GE.
Think uncertainty and disruption; think JC.
There's going to be uncertainty and disruption when parliament votes down May's 'deal', an event that is looking more than likely.
I agree that there'll be disruption but wont the worse thing be the certainty that we'll leave with no deal Mazie.
I don't think that would happen smileless. I think that we'd have a GE or a People's Vote and the EU would give us an E50 extension. I've changed my views on this because I think the disastrous influence of the Ultras is waning.
"I've changed my views on this because I think the disastrous influence of the Ultras is waning."
I've often thought that this has been deliberately emphasised by the media to make it all more dramatic.
What would they have done without it? It helps to sell papers etc.
I see what you're saying Mazie but surely all of those possibilities would add to the disruption and uncertainty.
I agree Fennel there's been a lot of melodramatic rhetoric of late.
You have made a very good point Fennel
Our media, especially the tabloid press, do not serve us well. They love confrontation, hate collaboration and are always looking to stoke the fires of division.
To go back to an earlier point, about insulin.
There's a report in today's Guardian saying that there's a worldwide shortage of insulin. mainly due to the increase of type 2 diabetes, related to obesity.
Demand is exceeding supply.
www.theguardian.com/society/2018/nov/20/insulin-shortage-could-affect-40-million-people-with-type-2-diabetes
Certainly medicines can easily be airlifted if needed, there is no problem there, quite a lot of tropical and out of season food is already air freight, many will have noticed it being loaded into returning holiday flights. Bananas from Carribean, Beans from Kenya, Grapes from South Africa.
Staple food, Bread, Meat, Milk are either largely home produced or imported from ROI and I will guarantee producers in Southern Ireland will want that to keep that moving. In a no deal scenario there will be some disruption of food that arrives on truck via Dover, so if you want Lettuce,Tomatoes or Aubergines in January you may well be disappointed.
So let's have no scaremongering, we are not going to starve, there are not UBoats sinking shipping, no blockade, essential supplies will get priority. I'm more concerned by the affect on jobs disruption will likely cause layoffs in many industries because their supplies don't arrive, you can't make cars without widgets.
Why we voted leave
By JOHNREDWOOD | Published: MARCH 23, 2018
On 23rd June 2016 17.4 million voters told Parliament we should leave the EU.
Leave voters voted to take back control.
We voted to take back control of our money, our laws and our borders.
We voted to be a sovereign people again.
The overarching aim is to restore our freedoms
To become self governing as we used to be
We wish our Parliaments to frame our laws
To levy and spend out taxes
To make our borders safe
To award the precious gift of citizenship to those we choose to invite
We did not vote in the belief that future Parliaments will always be wise
Nor that they will always get it right
We voted to restore powers to Parliament because it is our Parliament
We can lobby and influence it
We can dismiss it and replace the MPs when they no longer please.
I find it surprising that some find it difficult to understand this overriding wish
For it is based on our long standing pursuit of freedom
It springs from our history
The history of the UK is the story of the long march of every man and every woman to the vote
The story of asserting the rule of law against all, however mighty.
We prize the gift of freedom under the law for all on an equal basis
We share an aversion to slavery
A dislike of military rule
A resistance to arbitrary government
A rejection of the patronising errors of elites
A distaste for overmighty bureaucracies cramping our freedoms
A belief that we should be free to do whatever we please unless the laws prevents it
The signposts to democracy run through Magna Carta to the first Parliaments
From the 1660 settlement to the Glorious Revolution
From the Great Reform Act to the triumph of the suffragettes
We carelessly lost some of these freedoms,
casting away much of the power of our vote and voice
by passing powers to the European Union
We allowed the EU to impose laws we did not want
To levy taxes we disagreed with
And to spend our money as they saw fit
Brexit is designed to recall those lost powers
hTtp://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2018/03/23/why-we-voted-leave/
Davidhs, the naïvety of your optimism is quite amazing.
Air lifting means we can fly in and out or over EU zones. And if the French decide to blocade, they will.
Just wondering, do you or any of your loved ones need life saving drugs or treatment right now- which are at risk?
One of the speakers representing NHS workers at the Fnal Say march said "You can be pro-brexit or pro_NHS but you cannot be both"
www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPAgNTz3Sow&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR2HNEuKzC_93k79kWNNvTk_NWmguoGJVteYzzPidFLXj5BsziWNflwiAlw
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