The Nasty Labour Party - what they really stand for.

We are all allowed to think and vote differently trisher
I have no objection to anyone stating they are a Communist Marxist etc, It’s when it’s hidden and served up as ‘moderate Labour thinking’ and ‘getting back to our roots’ stuff that annoys me.Calling LP members like Annie ‘closet Tories’
Wanting to deselect MP’s, infiltrating councils and groups at every level and so on, whilst calling out those who are not as extreme as themselves.

The extreme left are creating their very own witch hunts.

And using the analogy of 'road kill' for those of more moderate political persuasion.

Ernest Bevin was anti-Communist and disliked the Soviet Union. Can anyone remember an incident with Molotov? They had a row, can't remember what about. He was also definitely not a pacifist.
Of course, he was never Leader of the LP.

Are they? How do you know that lemon? Let me guess. You read it in the Daily Fail!

Don’t have newspapers here trisher not even the sainted Guardian, too rural for deliveries.

Jalima I think I remember the incident with Bevin and Molotov, didn’t they have cocktails?

No idea where you are lemon but everything is available on-line.

"This thread is turning nasty."

The title of the thread was extremely unpleasant, that must have set the bar.

But sadly true Ilovecheese in many ways.The LP is now talked about in this way because of all the bullyboy tactics employed by activists and supporters of Corbyn,it never used to be like this, and hopefully in the future ( a Corbyn free future) it will be much better.

No bully boy Tories then? Are they all co-operative and supportive of one another ? Machiavellian imo!

Yes, the title of the thread was extremely unpleasant. However, lambasting the Labour Party by a core of very right wing Tories and closet Tories on this forum has always been their forte with or without facts (usually without facts).

However, what has changed in the short time that I have been a member of this forum would be there is now a core of politically left leaning forum members that now challenge often ridiculous Labour bashing right wing posts to ever greater effect, and long may that continue.

I had been looking forward to having greater input alongside the above group following my retirement later this month, but that sadly has now had to be put on hold due to the serious illness of a key member of staff in the company.

But, keep up the great stuff you left supporters, and I will continue to be alongside whenever I find the time.

I’m sure that will be a very real and great comfort to them Grandad43

The LP is only talked about in this way by people who do not like it.

There is absolutely no need to start threads with such unpleasant titles.

The Labour party has changed, some people like it and some people do not

Yes, the title of the thread was extremely unpleasant.
Priceless, just priceless. Oh, the irony.

Why? When have I ever been unpleasant?

Oh, not you Ilovecheese - Grandad repeated what you said

Jalima

so some people are all up in arms because of 'bile on one thread' - but hink that bile on another thread is totally fine and dandy.

Weird, methinks, totally.

Is the Labour party nasty on GN? The answer is am emphatic yes.

The reason for my answer? There are, I am sure many members of GN, who vote Conservative and would appreciate a reasoned and courteous discussion of Conservative policy on GN.

What is their chance of getting that? Absolutely nil. Within 10 minutes the thread would be overwhelmed by abusive and offensive messages from GN members who support the current Labour party. Many people who have posted on this thread would be among them. If they do not believe me. Go back and read your emails and think how you would feel if what you had written had been aimed at the Labour party by Conservatives and how you would respond. Supposing every political thread was overwhelmed by Conservative supporters. You might start crying loudly about intimidation, but many would just duck out of sight and keep quiet.

I am rapidly reaching a stage where I am beginning to wonder whether politics should not be discussed on GN. Impossible I know, but when GN started we could have rational discussions without animosity on either side, but gradually the Labour party zealots have driven out anyone who does not agree with them. One or two brave people do try to introduce a voice of reason. I will not say who I think they are, because they already have to put up with daily abuse, so I do not want to make it worse.

If GN members who are Labour party supporters are typical of the whole, then reading the kind of things they post are an argument in themselves for not voting Labour.

Good gracious! I think if we did an anonymous poll of political party support there would be far more Tory than Labour voters on GN. Not sure why Conservative supporters on GN are not able to make reasoned arguments in support of the Conservative policies or in defence of their politicians. Far more Daily Mail readers on here than Grauniad readers from all the comments I have seen!
Do not try to turn Conservative GNs into 'victims' of Labour GN posters. That would be silly.

Jalima1108 in your post in this thread @ 23:27 yesterday (4/10/18) you stated the following against Ernest BEVIN.

Quote [He decided that one in ten young men conscripted should be sent down the coal mines - the Bevin Boys. They were selected by pulling numbers from a hat.
The scheme went on until 1948 and those forced to work down the mines were not well treated afterwards as they were not entitled to return to their jobs.

So much for standing up for workers' rights.] End Quote

Jalima1108, Ernest Bevin was the minister for Labour in a wartime national government at a time when this country had "its back very much against the wall".' Therefore difficult decisions had to be made and that included conscription and that a percentage those conscripted should serve that time in Britains coal mines.

The reason for that need was, at that time Britain's steam powered railways were the core of the UK transport infrastructure and without that rail network operating at well above planned capacity the overall war effort would have been crippled.

Therefore, coal was the critical component in that war based production economy, and therefore conscription of labour in those mines was an essential and necessary decision. Many of those conscripted into those mines stated that they would have preferred to have gone into the armed forces.

However, at that time Bevin and those surrounding him in that government did not have time for sentiment with Britain's very survival at stake. Those conscripted into the mines could retain that occupation if they so wished at the end of the war, or take up another occupation should they prefer in the full employment economy that the Atlee led Labour Government rapidly created following electoral victory in 1945.

So, Jalima1108 your criticism of Ernest Bevin is entirely unjustified, unless with your right wing views you would in your youth preferred to witnesses the Swastika flying over Whitehall in London?

Monica:

There are, I am sure many members of GN, who vote Labour and would appreciate a reasoned and courteous discussion of Labour policy on GN.

What is their chance of getting that? Absolutely nil. Within 10 minutes the thread would be overwhelmed by abusive and offensive messages from GN members who support the current Conservative party. Many people who have posted on this thread would be among them. If they do not believe me. Go back and read your emails and think how you would feel if what you had written had been aimed at the Conservative party by Labourites and how you would respond. Supposing every political thread was overwhelmed by Conservative supporters. You might start crying loudly about intimidation,

jura if you want to read an abusive post then look no further than the one by Grandad addressed to me.
It is unjustified, untrue and quite shocking.

Jalima1108, my above post is justified, entirely true and in no way shocking. If you wish to take up debate on what I have stated then do that in a reasonable manner, including the last sentence where I asked you a direct question, nothing more.

In what way is your post justified Grandad?
I cannot see why or how.

There are on this forum some who love to "dish it out" but cannot take it back.