The Last Days of Mrs May?

TM is to make an announcement in the House of Commons at 1.45 today.

Resignation???

Niggynelly. You could be right and Parliament might vote out and we all have to take the consequences short term and long term, even JRM concedes the benefits may take decades to be seen.
Politicians live for today Im sure they will think very hard before they take us out

I suppose what we have to accept is that we stupidly, over the years signed up for a club that in fact nobody can leave (freedoms?!!) and the sooner we accept that article 50 isn't worth the paper it's written on the better. Yes, we will look very foolish if we have to back down and other member countries certainly won't even attempt to leave the EU prison knowing now that it would be a futile exercise. a salutary lesson for all!! However to those in any doubt, the EU is sadly as inclusive as the USSR, once in, no escape possible short of revolution. Other country's hopefully will learn from this and beware!!!!

Diane54 no one is unbiased, but please read my post - I said independent. There is a huge difference which makes your point invalid,

Oh I think undoubtedly there are those who want her to fail GG13, but I don't feel sorry for her. She's supposed to be in charge and if she can't see a way forward she should do the decent thing and resign. She should never have taken the Chequers agreement to the EU, if she didn't know before then, Barnier's statement on 3rd Sept should have told her.

TM's gender is totally irrelevant trisher.

She chaired the Chequers meeting as PM. Not one of the MP's sitting in the H of C's has ever been in this situation.

I believe they want her to fail, which in turn absolves them from any blame/part of Brexit. Whatever was written on the side of the bus, the majority voted out, and she has to deal with that.

I do not believe that the European Union are "bluffing" regarding their side of the negotiations.

Almost all the major manufacturers in the car and engineering sector have stated that future models and equipment will be produced in the EU, should the UK Leave without a customs agreement. In that, I feel that the European Union now believe they have much to gain in Britain leaving without any trade or custom agreement whatsoever.

Many UK businesses are already unable to get quotes from EU suppliers for products scheduled for delivery after March 2019. That situation means that those businesses often cannot quote their customers for work or supplies beyond that date also.

A total shambles that Britain has brought on itself and has to resolve in some way, but no one seems to agree on how that is to be achieved.

Sorry that should be "Would"

Wld you say the same about a male PM GG13 ? Why hasn't she worked out a proper deal to take? She was in charge of the Chequers meeting and the agreement she should have done better.

I agree, for what it's worth, with GrannyGravy13, For me TM gets top marks for courage and tenacity, I can't see one other person in the HofC who could have taken so much flak and downright nastiness and not have collapsed long ago. Oh yes they all shriek and scream and bang their drums, but actually be faced with being in the line of fire, try it, and see how they run! From D.C to J.C, they're completely contemptible

trisher, the point I was trying to illustrate is, all this talk of overthrowing TM is just talk.

This is Cameron's mess!! MP's are sitting on their well paid backsides relieved it's not them in the firing line. Both sides of the house are happy for her to be the fall guy, I get the impression that is why no one is properly helping or supporting her.

I do feel that TM has made a difficult situation worse by her conviction that she can be a reincarnated Margaret Thatcher but -though I couldn't stand MT - TM does not exude authority, and her attempts to mimic MT - no compromise, my way or the highway etc. - have simply served to antagonise the other EU leaders.

They will let TM take the responsibility for the Brexit debacle
She's the PM Granny Gravy13 who the hell else is responsible for the debacle? Mickey Mouse?
She had already been told by Barnier on 3rd September that the Chequers proposal was "illegal, insane and an invitation to fraud." What did she think? He was going to be the only one objecting and the rest would win him over.
What I don't understand is that in any serious negotiation you go in with a first proposal and then a fall back proposal, with a number of things which are open to suggestion and change. If you go in with one proposal it's better called an ultimatum

TM is doing her best with the poisonous job she has got (by default as Cameron ran for the hills, and the others in the leadership race resigned before the finish)

Nobody in Parliament either side of the house wants to be in her shoes!!!!!

Do,you really think Labour want an election now, that would mean they would have to get of off the fence they are hanging onto, particularly their leader, who all his political life has been anti EU, but since the referendum and his appointment has been quieter than a church mouse.

They will let TM take the responsibility for the Brexit debacle, she has my sympathies and admiration. She has no idea who will speak out against her next. She must be feeling totally isolated, vulnerable and very lonely.

I am hoping that as with any negotiations, you always have cards up your sleeve, and never reveal everything until the zero hour.

The EU are being firm and unmoving, they are using the UK as an example to other member states that you have joined and therefore you must stay.

John Crace of the Guardian is not unbiased the has been viciously critical Brexit all along.
Bluff and double Bluff, it seems clear to me that the EU want UK to stay in the single market despite all the aggravation they still want us, they seem unanimous in this.
They are counting on the UK backing down eventually, TM and the Tories probably won't, Parliament probably will.

I rarely feel sympathy for any PM, they aren’t our friends or neighbours after all, but are always ambitious political people who actually want this top job.Having said that, I do think that once in the job they all realise it isn’t quite what they hoped it would be.T May must have inherited ( for want of a better word) this job at the worst peacetime time ever, and has had a difficult task of keeping things together, which, so far, against all odds she has managed to do.
All is still bluff and double bluff regards negotiations with the EU and nobody should read too much into what is ‘said’
By either side.

This short piece of independent journalism just about sums it up succinctly

May in denial after Salzburg humiliation

Oh dear! May’s ambition to be PM led her to accept this poisoned chalice but even I feel sorry for her. This deal was unacceptable to many of her colleagues and cabinet, for one reason and unacceptable to the EU for another.

She looked completely shaken. But her arrogance in telling the EU leaders that it was this or nothing was completely wrong. Yet again she has miscalculated. They called her, very obvious, bluff.

Strong and stable ?

May has been humiliated again. No surprise- she was told her Chequers plan wouldn’t be acceptable. No doubt her supporters will blame the EU for not accepting a proposal they had already said wasn’t workable. Another fine mess etc....

Britain is on the edge no doubt about that and it seems that a deal is unlikely, that will concentrate political minds.

To crash out with no deal and face years of acrimonious negotiations to an unknown future is now a reality, will parliament really do that. Or will they take the sensible option and cancel Brexit.

It's the party conferences in the next few weeks so negotiations will go quiet I'm sure, after that all bets are off. I wonder what Corbyn will do to stir the pot.

and still the 62% of voting Scots who wanted to remaina re totally ignored while Westminster makes plans to dismantle our government powers ...all 17% of them in Holyrood.They may well find we declare UDI in the enar future.The Independence movement is PEOPLE led with the SNP as our voice BUT if we have to move before Ms Sturgeon is prepared to we will.The peopel of Scotland are sovereign NOT the parliament or the queen .

I feel the greatest risk would be that whoever leads this government they finally arrive back in parliament with only a "no deal" option to put forward to the House of Commons

Parliament then rejects that "no deal" and political chaos then ensues.

I feel Briton is very much on the edge now.

She has my sympathy and admiration

T M is in an impossible situation. She has my sympathies.

She has my sympathy too, but it's hard to see what a change of leader will achieve, the EU are not rejecting the deal but very close.
Her problem is that giving way on the Ireland border risks loosing Unionist support, then she is sunk. Given that a politicians prime objective is to stay in power risking a general election is not welcome, so they soldier on.
If the EU do not move, the Tories, whoever leads them in October might go to Parliament with a no deal recommendation, what happens then, to avoid a hard border the Unionists change sides, ( NI did vote solidly remain).

Is leave then a realistic option?. (have the EU calculated that)