May blocked granting rights to EU citizens *before* she was PM

OK but i will have to try and find your answer tomorrow as im in bed on phone -the stuff i need is on my ipad which is downstairs charging

I didn't mean Osborne was lying about this, but I don't trust him in general.

I agree with you there, FarNorth.
A free newspaper in London gives him lots of access, too, to millions of minds to be persuaded.

Hard one, though. Who do you mistrust the most, May or Osborne?

A limited amount of googling, Jalima seems to come up with the fact that EU citizens (which obviously includes Brits living in other EU countries) who don't have citizenship of the country they live in are unable to vote in national elections. For local elections the rules seem to vary from country to country. Non British EU citizens have the right to vote in local elections and devolved parliaments' elections in the UK.

They are eligible to vote in EU Parliamentary elections either in the country they are living in or their 'native' country, but not in both.

The rules also seem to vary on the length of time they have not lived in their country of origin as to whether or not they can still vote in their national elections. The British are ineligible after 15 years away (as we know), others may have no time limit on eligibility. (Clearly a point on which EU countries retain their own sovereignty!)

Citizens of the Republic of Ireland are able to vote in UK general elections (as are Commonwealth citizens) under quite separate arrangements from EU 'rights'.

MaizieD I know that I am often in the wrong according to your posts but I am totally bemused this time to get the blame for mis-googling when I am not even posting on this thread
(until this post)

Maisie

I think you mean POGS not Jalima.

Thank you.

So at present there are UK citizens residing in some EU countries who may not be permitted to vote in either Local or National Elections of the country they are residing in.

So there is not a defined EU policy it has been at the discretion of each country.

OH!

Nice to know you think of me from time to time even when I'm not around, MaizieD

Oh, I do apologise for the mix up. It was a bit of a Senior moment, I think.

@*Jalima*. More s

So at present there are UK citizens residing in some EU countries who may not be permitted to vote in either Local or National Elections of the country they are residing in.

As far as I can see, POGS. But it was a very brief google..

So there is not a defined EU policy it has been at the discretion of each country.

So it appears, but, with regard to the EU v the UK offers on rights of EU and UK citizens, I believe (but this is hearsay as I haven't read either offer in detail) that the EU is offering (and asking for) the exactly the same rights as enjoyed at present by any EU citizen, in perpetuity, for those living in another EU country before the actual Brexit date whereas the UK 'offer' limits those rights for EU citizens in the uK, particularly with regard to voting (i.e they won't be able to vote in any election). But don't quote me on this...I may well be wrong...

Yes, that's it, Maizie.
The government wants to give even fewer rights to EU citizens, thereby disenfranchising many EU citizens.
It's no wonder half of them expect to leave in the next five years, especially those in the health service. They have skills that are transferable to anywhere in the world.

VOTING IN FRANCE FOR UK CITIZENS.

We are registered to vote here and can vote in the local elections - which I know is the local council and you can stand as a candidate - one of our friends is on a neighbouring Council. I think we can also vote in the department elections too. We CANNOT vote in the national senate or Presidential elections but we do get to vote in European ones.

Until we have lived outside the UK for 15 years we can vote in General Elections and also were allowed to vote in the referendum. We cannot vote in local or county council elections.

pogs reading subsequent posts can I assume you have your answer?

Home Office have twittered an offer to EU immigrants.

The reply tweets are worth a read especially as they have reminded the Home Office that negotiations have hardly started yet.

What are the Home Office doing, using twitter for something this important?

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jun/29/brexodus-eu-nationals-citizenship-uk-brexit

Too late for many, whitewave.
Serves Brexiteers right.
'We want you to stay' but will reduce your rights.

It really is absolutely disgraceful. It reads just as if it is a done deal. What are they playing at?

The replies reflect in strong terms what a disgrace people think it is.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jun/28/eu-children-may-have-to-apply-to-stay-in-uk-after-brexit-leaked-analysis-says

www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jun/27/theresa-may-offer-does-little-to-relieve-the-anxiety-of-eu-citizens-in-britain

www.indy100.com/article/eu-citizenship-theresa-may-immigration-brexit-deals-foreign-students-7810256

Someone has looked more carefully at the EU residents deal.

www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/node/5139

Here's a chart comparing the two different offers for EU citizens.