It will bring down David Cameron

www.theguardian.com/world/2016/feb/25/david-cameron-brilliant-uk-arms-exports-saudi-arabia-bae

This should bring down Cameron. He thinks it is brilliant that we have sold lots of arms to Saudi Arabia on the day that the EU are debating an embargo on arms deals with Saudi.

Not sure, the Express is very anti EU

In 2017, we along with 2 other much smaller countries are meant to hold the presidency of the EU, each of the countries take turns, I wonder if our prime minister is hoping he is going to be the EU president when it's our turn?

Exactly, Anniebach. I can't see why so many pro-EU members are determined to rubbish DC.

If he's so awful, he must surely be wrong in his reasoning about it being better for the UK to stay IN...

I think most accept I dislike Camerons politics, his PR stunts, his well rehearsed pathetic jokes at PMQ and his smug, cocky attitude , but I think he values friendship ,think of the likes of Clarkson he even tried to defend this moron. I do feel sorry for him over the knives which are being sharpened , I know it's politics but Gove coming out - no not gay - against him so quickly and so vocally must have hurt . Politicians are human .

I think we should stay in the EU and I think he is speaking the truth when he says the same

Except that his reasons are different to mine. I want us to stay in because of workers rights, human rights and protecting the NHS. Not high on his list.

Jalima - thanks for the link.
There is another one
www.gov.uk/government/organisations/civil-service/about

I still dont get the impartiality bit.

MargaretX - do Labour have access to govt documents?

Who becomes the in group and who becomes the out group.
Though the media and MPS are not jumping up and down about it, so I presume it must be allowed and carried out often.

In the same way I dont get the democracy bit. Labour is part of democracy.

This is the role of civil servants as I understand it, Obieone. Others may know more.
I think impartiality in that sense refers to the fact that Civil Servants must be impartial in carrying out the policies of the government in power, despite their personal views. They do not work for the opposition and opposing parties do not have access to government documents unless they are in the public domain or released in response to a freedom of information request.
After a general election the departing ministers leave immediately and new ministers arrive as they are appointed. These days ministers are usually also supported by special advisers (SPADS) of their own choosing.

I am, of course, talking about Whitehall and the Departments of State such as Health, Education, Home Office etc.. There are lots of other civil servants.

I just wish polititions would answer questions asked and stop saying lessons have been learned most of them don't know how the other half lives personally I can't stand Cameron !

Before you vote consider the many people in Europe who will be devastated and afraid if we come out of the EU.

Norman Fowler reckons DC would be perfectly able to carry on if the ref goes against him. He seems to be suggesting they can all be jolly little pals together afterwards.

Before you vote consider how the economy will go down the drain again if we leave. More cuts, longer queues at the food banks.....

Michael Howard. Not Norman Fowler.

I'm torn about whether we should leave or not.
Now that we're retired, it would quite possibly be of benefit to us personally to leave the EU.
However, when I think of the economic consequences to many people in this country, obviously I favour us staying.

I agree Jen, he doesn't give a jot for those

On a lighter note, I keep imagining the Wise Old Elf and Nanny Plum from 'Ben and Holly's Little Kingdom' every time I see Corbyn and Cameron at PMQ time. Maybe we'd be better off with THEM deciding on the EU!

ditto

If you check the manifesto from the last election Cameron has only tackled a few items and they have been watered down. Will the same rules apply to imigrants from outside the EU? The targets for migrants have increased not decreased Nothing about changing human rights. We will still pay an horrendous daily amount of money into the EU coffers. And we will still be ordered to change policies by an unelected offices, who have yet to sign off an audit.

As for the way the so called elected House of Commons acts is like spoiled children. throwing their dolly out the pram.

I voted no when we went into the so called common market. I have watched over the past years to see our sovereignty being destroyed and any powers taken away or watered down. I don't want an United States of Europe, so it will be no again

I'm sure DC said during the last parliament that he would serve one more term as Prime Minister (if the Tories won the election) and I thought he would stand down quite soon if his party won the election.

But that was before the Tories won so convincingly and now I think he will serve out the term. I thought he said a few days ago that he would not be standing again and I assumed he meant as an MP. He has nothing to lose by leading the In campaign.

He will always support business above everything else and have a successful and lucrative future when he leaves parliament. Of course, he will also be knighted soon after.

Right now he's untouchable. Too many people believe he got a good deal for the UK in the EU.

Show me a politician and I'll show you a ruthless untrustworthy human. OK, I loathe Cam, but honestly I was shocked at Corbyn using DC's mum at PMQs and I don't think I want anyone currently available to be in charge of the country . . . and particularly not Bojo the Clown. As U've said many times, I've got arguments both ways about Europe, but would like to hear fair and reasoned arguments both ways - voted yes to the Common Market, bur not so sure abour being told what to do by the European Parliament (not the same thing at all!)

Corbyn did not bring Mrs Cameron into PMQ,

Another thing you ladies may not be aware of is the TTIP , a trade deal with other countries which this government is trying to push through , and which could have disastrous consequences for the future of the NHS

A top lawyer’s just announced that TTIP, the dangerous US-EU trade deal, poses a “real and serious risk” to the NHS. He’s said that if the deal goes ahead as it is, privatisation of our NHS could be irreversible.

For over a year the government’s been denying that TTIP would impact our NHS. They’ve said it was scaremongering.
I want the NHS for my grandchildren . I do not want them to have to worry about cost if they are ill as many people do in America.
My daughter became ill while we were on holiday in Florida . A man from the hospital was constantly harassing us to contact our insurers while we were all worried about my daughter who had a suspected blood clot.

I'm with you on this one Durhamjen.

Yaya, there's a different thread on TTIP. Lots of us are aware of it.

www.gransnet.com/forums/news_and_politics/1207423-TTIP-Agreement-dont-yawn-its-important