Andrew Neil talking about jihadist losers

They are against radical Islam though.

jura, what she said in the link I posted is not anti-muslim. She is saying that peaceful majorities in the situatioins under discussion are irrelevant, including, but not exclusively, the peaceful majority of muslims who do not agree with Daesh.

I repeat: play the ball not the man.

If that is addressed to me * Elrel* then say so. am sorry if choosing my words carefully goes an impression of "prefectorial condescension.". Perhaps you might like to illustrate with an example?

Granjura

I have listened to the clip again before posting to ensure I had not made a mistake.

Having heard it again I have to say that I do not interpret the words she used in the same way as your post of 20.24.

thatbags- what she is saying I have to hear with the experience of listening to her anti Muslim rants over a very long period of time on Fox News- and it does put a very different slant on it, I'm afraid.

Did you watch the video of how she talks to people/Muslims? Her attitude to Muslims in general does influence how you assess anything she says- so the ball is very much linked to the person, in this case.

We did that woman on another thread. About a week back. Didn't we agree she was an anti-muslim, loud mouthed horrible person?

Washington Post response to that bullying Gabriel woman

Maybe Granjura but she was not making an anti Muslim rant on the clip. Had she been doing so I don't think bags nor others would have given her a moment of our time.

To those who have interpreted her point in a different fashion to you we are listening solely to the point she was making without having a pre bias opinion as we have never heard of her.

I do not know if I would think her anti-muslim or not, it is apparent reading threads on GN that show we all have differences of opinion as to what counts as being anti-muslim. That is not saying she is not and you are correct but the clip is not an anti-muslim rant.

Everything about that woman is anti-muslim. She is horrible!

Do some research for God's sake!

Read this for starters?

Just the way she harangued that mildly spoken muslim student should have shown you just what she is like!

You are all like a flock of sheep.

If you open all the links here she has had an interesting life, and been through some hardship.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brigitte_Gabriel

It was me who brought up Brigitte Gabriel's background on the other thread and rather than start off the same cycle of discussion, here is a link to the thread -

Brigitte Gabriel

I stand by what I said on the other thread. She's one of the most anti-Islamic people I know about.

Jamjar she probably maintains her Wikipedia page herself.

I hold my hand up to sometimes having too much faith in Wiki pages WilmaKickersfit. Must be lots on the net to verify BG's early life, which was the part which most interested me, will read after some zzzz's.

There's a difference between being anti-muslim and being anti-Islamic extremism. The Wiki page about Gabriel says she is an anti-Islamic extremism activist. Until I hear her say or see evidence of her saying something anti-muslim, I'll go with that claim.

A lot of people and the some of the media confuse anti-muslim sentiment with anti-islamic extremism. The two are not the same.

Would it be anti-christian to say that the christian crusades and the christian Inquisition were, in my view, immoral? Or is that anti-christian extremism? Anti-christian extremist zeal?

I see the modern wave of islamic extremism as the islamic equivalent of what extremist christians engaged in in the past. Because I view it that way, I think that we (humanity, all of us) will get past it, and that Islam, the religion, will have some kind of reformation, as Christianity did.

Meanwhile the vast majority of Muslims will continue to be good people, like the rest of the world's population.

Anyone who calls me or anyone else anti-muslim for saying these things is a complete twat.

A complete twat on this subject.

I'm now going to read an article about racism as a mental illness (the article concludes that it isn't).

Jamjar she wrote a book about her childhood during the Lebanese civil war and whilst I am absolutely not saying for one minute that would have been an easy time, she is accused of exaggerating her circumstances and making up things about that time.

thatbags I know she describes herself as an anti-Muslim extremist, but you will not have to look far to find she is simply anti-Islam.

This Institute of Policy Studies profile page will get you started

Thanks for the link, wilmak. I will check it out later (going out in a bit).

I still maintain that what she said in the link I posted (and that janea posted on another thread) was not anti-muslim, but anti-extremism associated with Islam. And, with that in mind, it's just an ad-hominen argument to say stuff about her background.

I realise my twat comment is rather ad-hominemish too

new word alert: ad-hominemish

I agree with thatbags and POGS.

Wilma, how did you manage to find the other thread?! I tried! Well done.