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Would you support the doctors' strike.

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whitewave Fri 06-Nov-15 10:21:45

Doctors have been told that Hunt is only prepared to negotiate on 1 out of 23 points of the new contract. The new rota system only allows for "home time" as being after 10pm and Sunday's.

Junior doctors will have to work more hours than they do now and are exhausted how so how safe will we be?

I support them

durhamjen Sun 22-May-16 10:41:27

www.pulsetoday.co.uk/views/blogs/through-the-k-hole/keep-the-f-away-from-my-sundays-says-god/20031843.blog

Ceesnan Sun 22-May-16 07:08:30

thatbags grin

thatbags Sun 22-May-16 06:51:29

Haha! I like it (sarc) that you speak for god now as well, dj. The hubris!! Chortle. Thanks for the laugh.

durhamjen Sun 22-May-16 00:28:29

God certainly doesn't want one!

daphnedill Sat 21-May-16 23:32:23

We don't need a 24/7 health service for all specialities. There is no reason why people need to have routine appointments at the weekend and many staff in A & E, maternity, intensive care, etc have always worked on Saturday and Sunday. We now know that Hunt was lying about the weekend death rates. Quelle surprise!

Meanwhile, the two GP surgeries in my town now run surgeries on Saturdays, but probably not for much longer. Despite massive publicity, the service isn't well-used or popular and it's being provided at the expense of surgeries during the 'normal' working week.

durhamjen Sat 21-May-16 14:58:23

www.pulsetoday.co.uk/views/blogs/through-the-k-hole/keep-the-f-away-from-my-sundays-says-god/20031843.blog

Anyone offended should read the comments. Anyone not offended should also read the comments.

durhamjen Sat 21-May-16 14:27:54

nhap.org/the-junior-doctor-contract/

What the National Health Action Party thinks about the contract negotiations.

durhamjen Fri 20-May-16 11:51:10

Therefore it will cost more money, which the government says it cannot have.
That's what cost-neutral means.
So what is going to happen? We spread the present five-day workers over seven days? Then what?

rosesarered Fri 20-May-16 10:10:38

Brainwashed?grin hardly, I have no feelings about the man either way.
Just saying ( about the new contracts) what was read out on Radio 4.
The junior doctors do not want to travel too far in their training,which sounds reasonable.It was one of the gripes mentioned.
Yes, we need all sorts at weekends, including x rays scans etc as well as doctors.

durhamjen Fri 20-May-16 00:30:06

indy100.independent.co.uk/article/someone-has-edited-jeremy-hunts-car-crash-interview-into-the-thick-of-it--Z1e0D6blJXb?utm_source=indy&utm_medium=top5&utm_campaign=i100

daphnedill Thu 19-May-16 22:15:07

Junior doctors will still have to move round the country in their first years, because that's how the system works. They are only on short term contracts and have apply for jobs every year. That's why Hunt thought he could impose the contracts. Unlike other staff, he wouldn't have had to change existing contracts, but bribed the hospitals with threats of cuts, if they didn't offer the new contracts. However, he underestimated how angry the junior doctors were and there was a real threat that they wouldn't apply for the jobs at the end of their existing contracts. Apparently there has been a jump in the number of doctors applying for work visas in places like Australia.

durhamjen Thu 19-May-16 21:21:03

It will not be done properly, because Hunt says there is no money for it - cost neutral is his phrase.
Therefore there will be no extra staff to run the rest of the time.
Of course, the junior doctors have been working seven days a week. It's just Hunt did not recognise it.
As said previously, it's not the junior doctors who did not work seven days, it's the radiographers, etc. They will need more money, but the NHS has to save billions.

You really have been brainwashed by Hunt, haven't you, roses?

rosesarered Thu 19-May-16 20:41:42

A seven day service will be worked eventually, but it will take time to do it properly( of course.)

rosesarered Thu 19-May-16 20:39:30

It was one of their gripes, because it disrupts family life( on Radio 4) they had various things that they were unhappy about with their training.Compromise is the only thing that works, and it has to come from both sides.It seems it has, and the dispute is now over.

daphnedill Thu 19-May-16 20:34:15

I wouldn't hold your breath about it being over. Making a 7 day health service work needs other staff besides doctors. I doubt if it's even started.

Hunt did have to back down, because he had previously refused to discuss the issues on the agenda. He has also had to compromise on weekend pay.

PS. Where did you read that doctors won't be posted to 'far flung' hospitals?

rosesarered Thu 19-May-16 20:01:10

No, Hunt didn't give in ( otherwise the BMA would be shouting about it) in fact it looks like they have accepted the NHS will become a 7 day a week service, and in return Hunt has allowed other concessions to do with training, maternity leave and not posting doctors to far flung hospitals ( ie Leeds, when the doctor and his family live in Taunton for example.)Glad it's all over.

durhamjen Wed 18-May-16 20:34:44

www.bma.org.uk/news-views-analysis/news/2016/may/bma-agrees-junior-doctor-package

Looks like it might be over, and Hunt gave in. I bet he doesn't see it that way.

durhamjen Mon 16-May-16 22:39:42

I bet the junior doctors talks come to nothing.

you.38degrees.org.uk/petitions/stop-the-plans-to-dismantle-our-nhs

durhamjen Mon 16-May-16 22:36:08

"Hunt and Stevens - leaving their dirty footprints all over the NHS
Deborah Harrington, Caroline Molloy, and Madeleine Dickens 13 May 2016

Sustainability and Transformation Plans - the biggest attack on the NHS you've never heard of.

Jeremy Hunt tells us he wants a '7 day NHS'. He's the only person in the country who hasn't noticed we've already got one.

While Hunt distracts us, his NHS boss, Simon Stevens, has created a plan to solve the NHS’s problems - by CLOSING more beds and more A&Es. Stevens thinks if you close hospitals people will stop using them.

Before Hunt recruited him to run the NHS, Simon Stevens worked for in the US for 10 years for global health firm UnitedHealth – where he helped lobby for the TTIP trade deal that would help US health firms take over European healthcare. (1)

Now Hunt’s put him in charge of our NHS. He’s just carved our NHS into 44 bite sized regions, called ‘footprints’. And he’s told local health bosses that they must come up with a plan by 30th June to completely clear their massive shortfalls - within a year.

If they don’t come up with a new big cuts plan in a hurry, they won’t get any financial or other help, he’s told them. And he’s made clear that if they fail to deliver on the plans, they face being sacked or taken over by other – unspecified – organisations. "

Privatisation of the NHS.

durhamjen Wed 11-May-16 23:15:39

www.welfareweekly.com/seven-day-nhs-plans-fail-to-address-staffing-needs-say-mps/

From the public accounts committee.
Why is this man still in his job?

durhamjen Wed 11-May-16 23:12:57

www.theguardian.com/society/2016/may/11/jeremy-hunt-misleading-voters-over-nhs-budget-increase-says-thinktank

Again, the think tanks are finding that Hunt misled parliament, and lied to us.
Why has it taken until now for this to come out?

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/may/09/the-guardian-view-on-statistics-and-nhs-reforms-jeremy-hunts-number-games

durhamjen Sun 08-May-16 23:53:56

Jeremy Hunt is now the longest serving SoS for health.

www.welfareweekly.com/fewer-people-die-in-hospital-at-weekends-study-finds/

Do you think, if this research had been done earlier, he would not have had his stand-off with the junior doctors, or was he just spoiling for a fight anyway?

durhamjen Tue 03-May-16 22:01:11

www.bbc.com/news/health-36198952

3 hours ago on the BBC.
Is the NHS underdoctored, underfunded and overstretched?
The answer is yes.

durhamjen Tue 03-May-16 21:59:12

fullfact.org/health/nhs-black-hole-size-funding-gap-2020/

The NHS does not need to save 4% per year. It's just government ideology. It will be impossible anyway with the increase in the number of pensioners.
The only reason they have been told to do that is so that the NHS can be sold off when it does not make those efficiency savings.
Have you actually seen how many hospital trusts and CCGs are in deficit now?
There is nothing left to save.
The one hospital that was privatised had to be handed back to the NHS because the company realised they could not make any money out of it.

thatbags Tue 03-May-16 21:38:18

It probably is, just like recommended alcohol intake and various other government figures.