Same sex marriages now legal

Exactly Rosequartz and there will no doubt be as many divorces with gay people as with straight in the future.I have known quite a few gays in my life, some of them I liked who acted normally, others who camped it up and were rather cringeworthy. As others have said on here, we are all people who act in various ways, but we don't have to like it. However, the main discussion is about marriage, and although I really don't want to hurt the feelings of any mothers here who will be attending gay weddings, I just don't happen to agree with it. It's law now, but like all laws, you can't make people like them only accept them.

Yes, you are right Iam64. Someone had posted how all the gay people known to Gransnetters are warm, wonderful lovely people (being ironic I think); I was just saying the ones we are talking about on here are happy because they are getting married.

Otherwise, human beings are all much the same in their degrees of happiness, bitchiness, niceness, nastiness etc I would think. The person concerned who is being nasty is known to me but not that close, but I am concerned that he is going to mess up the one true and happy relationship he seems to have had.

Rosequartz, apologies if I've misunderstood your post, but I read it to say you knew a gay couple, one of whom was behaving in a "not nice" manner, and that his partner is putting up with it placidly. If you meant a hetrosexual married couple, sorry for misunderstanding.

Your point confirms those made by many posters, that gay couples are like all couples, some have good relationships, others not so good, and some are abusive relationships. It is not uncommon for the victim in these situations to appear placid. It's often linked to their fear of winding up their partner and a means of avoiding conflict. I'm not sure about the up to date figures, but when I was working, the research suggested women in abusive relationships may leave and reconcile as many at 20 plus times, before finally getting the courage to leave.

I think this thread is about people getting married, so they are going to be in a happy, positive and consequently nice frame of mind.

I do know someone who is not being very nice to his partner, and quite honestly it is not nice and I wouldn't put up with it so placidly.

Jingle I have worked with a number of gay colleagues and have friends and family members who are gay. I am pleased that, nice or nasty , they they can now marry if they choose to.

As with my hetero colleagues there were some gay colleagues that I did not wish to socialise with or get to know better for a variety of reasons!! The colleagues, gay or straight, that I am also friends with are lovely people..as absent said why would I be friends with them otherwise? My family members who are gay I love to pieces just like my straight nephews & nieces & they all happen to have chosen lovely partners.

Agreed and no-one said anything different. We can only draw on our own experience can't we? (And as mums we can rejoice when other mums' offspring find happiness)

I don't need to know any gay people personally for my common sense to tell me they must be like the rest of us, apart from the sexual orientation. Some good, some bad, most a mixed up jumble of both.

'I only know one in a once removed sort of way'. Is this a way of admitting that you really literally don't know what you're talking about ? That's not a sarcastic comment by the way - just the way it comes over to my simple unsophisticated mind.

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Jingle! "Maybe they are all very nice!" Are there any lesbians or gay granddads who can take a stand on this polarised discussion? As mcem says, there hasn't been any universal, uncritical admiration, but a few people attempting to point out that gay and lesbian people are like heterosexual people, just folks living their lives as best they can.

Let's enjoy the day, and live and let live

mcem you and your family have so much to look forward to. It's great to be around at a time when the rights of gay people to enjoy what has been a normal process for straights has at last come around. Criticism and objections won't stop gay couples being able to do what straight couples have been doing for a long time now - create their wedding just how they want it to be.

Although when you see some of the shops in Soho....... No! won't go there.

Maybe they are all very nice! I only know know one in a once removed sort of way. He seems nice.

Oh, you hear it everywhere! On here included.

Haven't noticed any universal uncritical admiration - just a few people relating their own experiences with their own friends and families. After all we're talking about normal human beings with all the frailties and faults of the human race. Some of us just happen to have families and friends we like and admire. Clearly we're lucky in that -with or without pedestals! I'm just happy that my friends and family can now enjoy a day ( and a future) that others have been fortunate enough to take for granted. That's the point of the thread isn't it?

(pedestal thing)

From Oxford Dictionary (for all of you with oh-so-sophisticated minds, but can't quite get your head round this) "A position in which someone is greatly or uncritically admired"

Ana I hope the sarcasm was appreciated.

Hmmmm,just a shame it isn't..... fair . Still , as my mother always said "Life isn't fair" !

Quite agree! Is this a perfectly acceptable meander in the middle of a conversation? Or yet another red herring? Or just a tiny indication that alll this tolerance is becoming irritating to some of us? We aren' t talking about a homogeneous group and I can only speak from my own experience. The basic premise of the thread is fairness - nothing more or less but a topic which will inevitably draw out a wide range of opinions.

It's good – a sign of an increase in tolerance in society – that same sex marriage is now legal. It is irrelevant to the issue whether gay and lesbain people are nice to know, just as it is irrelevant whether heterosexual people who marry are nice to know.

All my gay friends are delightful, intelligent, kind and fun. All my heterosexual friends are delightful, intelligent, kind and fun. They wouldn't be my friends otherwise. However, I have never seen any of them on a pedestal.

Sorry, I don't have much experience of the ooohing and aaahing or of all the gay folk known to gransnetters. Haven't seen anyone perched on a pedestal. Think some gay 'celebrities' are distinctly ott eg Dale Winton but not Paul O'Grady - hence my possible reservations about last night's programme which proved unfounded.
My experience is limited to my daughter's circle of friends most of whom I find cheerful outgoing and polite. If that's putting them on pedestals then I'd like to pop my (straight) son and daughter up there too as they exhibit the same sociable and likeable tendencies.
If surly grunting = being a real man (like my chauvinistic and homophobic ex SiL) I'll stick with my existing circle of friends which does contain several people who just happen to be gay.

Sigh...yes, of course you're right, when.

How've you deduced that, Ana? I would imagine only a tiny proportion of gay people known to Gransnetters have been discussed here and the subject has been about the right to get married, not their individual personalities

Yes, it's strange how all the gay folk known to Gransnetters are wonderful, warm human beings with not a bad trait amongst them!