After reading this thread a few weeks ago I decided to look out for a Panasonic on our local buy n sell site,managed to get a 254 for £20.Reckoned not much to lose at that price ?.3 loaves in and delighted,bread is delicious,Yesterday I made a fruit loaf which tasted great but seemed to be just a tad overdone on the outside,anyone came across this?,the programme is a 4 hour one,wondering if it would do any harm to remove from the machine maybe 10 min earlier the next time.Thanks to all for this thread,I now have the best toast ever at night ?