Latest Dr's strike announced

I’m afraid the doctors are going to lose all sympathy if they continue with these lengthy strikes which don’t appear to be having any impact on wage settlement but a huge and damaging impact on the people they are supposed to care about - the patients. They’ve lost my support, I’m afraid.

And mine.

And mine

And mine

Mine too

Enough is enough. Patients need to get their placards out too.

A few facts are helpful at this juncture.
www.theguardian.com/society/2024/jan/03/decoding-junior-doctors-strike-from-patient-safety-to-public-support#:~:text=This%20is%20pretty%20simple%20to,workers%20in%20any%20other%20sector.

The facts - in the Guardian?

Striking doctors have lost all their integrity. They don't earn only £14 per hour as is written on their placards.
They are putting lives at risk which surely goes against their code?

Here is the YouGov link ronib specially for you.
yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/48279-public-support-for-strikes-slips-as-2024-begins
Obviously only lefties and doctors read the Guardian, so it’s a notoriously unreliable source.

I agree. It's time they stopped these strikes. I lost sympathy a while ago.

Casdon. It’s okay. I have just located pay for doctors as of 1/4/2008.
Very interesting.
Are they asking for an uplift of 30 per cent from then?

fullfact.org/health/pay-inflation-mps-junior-doctors/
Here you are - unbiased source.

35 percent uplift on 2008 doctor’s salary
My calculations show salaries now need to be
Year 1. £29413 to £33197
Year 2 £36606 to £39861

How far away are the current offers on the table? Every patient in the Uk is entitled to know exactly what this is all about. Best not involve YouGov but get the hard figures if possible.
Or is the year 2010 more significant to the BMA?

35 percent uplift on doctors’ pay using 2010 as baseline . Needs to fall as follows:
Year 1. £30256 to £34032
Year 2. £37527 to £42435

So how far apart are the current offers from these figures? The public should be kept accurately informed.

Mine as well and like you henetha, a while ago.

Casdon

Here is the YouGov link ronib specially for you.
yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/48279-public-support-for-strikes-slips-as-2024-begins
Obviously only lefties and doctors read the Guardian, so it’s a notoriously unreliable source.

I've found during my working life, when people used to buy papers on their way to the office, many of those (me among them) that bought the G would also frequently read The Times and The Telegraph.

My late ex, who as a docker / lighterman, read both to get a 'balanced' view, and used to leave them lying around on the barges where others would also read them.

In spite of their bias, all of the above papers give a far more accurate recording of facts and figures, where the tabloids are quite hot on opinion overriding both.

The real Lefties down in the docks used to read The Socialist Worker, The Daily Mirror, and The Morning Star... The Guardian was last on the list of reading material.

So many thing the G is a Leftie paper- it's liberally Left, but I'd say it's more middle of the road.

think not thing drat it...

I read the Guardian daily. I don’t believe in it. I try to retain my brain as best I can.

They lost mine a long time ago. Never interested in ME, just pushing more pills & potions. Not a clue about how the problems came about, and not interested. Just treat the symptoms with some chemicals. Think they must be on a commission and bonuses from Big Pharma. Profits over caring.

ronib

I read the Guardian daily. I don’t believe in it. I try to retain my brain as best I can.

If you don't "believe in it"- why do you read it every day? Especially if it's endangering your sanity?

I sometimes disagree with its opinion pieces - but other than that, it tends to accurately report the news as it happened along with the rest of the press - giving links where necessary.

Dickens my sanity went ages ago but it is important to read a number of different newspapers preferably free ones.
Religion is a matter of belief. Newspapers should dabble in an approximation to truth.
There are lots of other sources online too thankfully. In fact from your armchair, it’s possible to research all sorts of information when the mood strikes.

Sonicbear01

They lost mine a long time ago. Never interested in ME, just pushing more pills & potions. Not a clue about how the problems came about, and not interested. Just treat the symptoms with some chemicals. Think they must be on a commission and bonuses from Big Pharma. Profits over caring.

Doctors and other medical professional work to NHS guidelines laid down by NICE. Guidelines they are expected to follow.

If you are looking for more holistic treatment, you need to look at alternative therapy.

However, if you present with symptoms, they do try to find the cause of them - which usually, but not always, requires drugs.

... but, this is cause for concern...

www.theguardian.com/healthcare-network/2016/may/18/patients-pharma-payments-doctors-database

ronib

Dickens my sanity went ages ago but it is important to read a number of different newspapers preferably free ones.
Religion is a matter of belief. Newspapers should dabble in an approximation to truth.
There are lots of other sources online too thankfully. In fact from your armchair, it’s possible to research all sorts of information when the mood strikes.

I agree with you about reading different newspapers. But I don't understand why the G is so derided - any more than any other papers.