The Failure of Track and Trace

Will they pay back the £37bn?

You don't mean the failure of "Track and Trace", do you?

You mean the ideas of anti-lockdown, Great Barrington supporting Prof Battacharya, I think.

Shown on the Brownstone Institute website, which was founded by a person who thinks the elites are out to get us? Especially Bill Gates.

Haven't got an hour to spend on that, sorry.

I agree with volver. The Great Barrington mob did a great deal of harm with their ideas. I won't be wasting my time either.

Lockdown did a great deal of harm too.

I have heard about (that is heard of without knowing details) various conspircacy theories about The Elite being "out to get us". I don't agree with that notion; it's too simplistic. I do think it's always worth listening to alternative viewpoints, not having a closed, made up mind about things only partly understood by anyone let alone you (anyone on GN) and me.

But if you don't want to listen, then don't. Why do I need to know whether you listen?

Once I have heard someone spouting unverified nonsense on a self funded crank website, I don't need to do it again. You, of course, may listen to any old rubbish that takes your fancy. It's just that most of us don't need to hear the conspiracy theories and misguided pseudoscience again.

How rude!

I’d ask for a refund from those classes at that charm school volver.

Which bit?

Good morning Volver. Consise and to the point as ever.

Urmstongran

I’d ask for a refund from those classes at that charm school volver.

I didn't bother with charm school. (You'd probably noticed)

I learned to recognise made up conspiracies and non-science instead. Better use of my time, I decided.

Do charm schools teach you how to imply that people who recognise bunkum when they see it, have closed minds?

Morning Esspee ?

Morning from me too Espee, I hadn't seen you about.

The Great Lockdown, probably saved my life, but severely impacted on my mental and physical health. It was a no win situation.
I was in hospital last week and my doctor was talking about the consequences of shielding and the impact on medical care.

I have absolutely no idea, what the ideal solution was. We couldn't win either way.
However, the part which is working is access to vaccinations and anti virals, which I have had.
I will receive my fifth vaccination nest week, for which I am grateful

Well our PCR tests told us when we were Positive and also when we were negative, so they seemed to have worked for us.

2 people in our village died of Covid, because they broke the lockdown rules, enough said.

Conspiracy theorists will find a way to debunk everything, it seems to be their mission in life.

Marydoll I'm in the middle of Loch Lomond and reception comes and goes.
Woke to blazing sunshine at 5ish. The Ben looks busier than Sauchiehall Street and the islands are like a gypsy camp. Have checked out three osprey nests and seen 5 of the 6 parents so breeding is going well. Each nest had a mother tending it.

Espee, the scenery will be spectacular on this glorious day!

I do hope you do not mean it literally, that you are in the middle of Loch Lomond. The waters are rather chilly!

Marydoll

Morning from me too Espee, I hadn't seen you about.

The Great Lockdown, probably saved my life, but severely impacted on my mental and physical health. It was a no win situation.
I was in hospital last week and my doctor was talking about the consequences of shielding and the impact on medical care.

I have absolutely no idea, what the ideal solution was. We couldn't win either way.
However, the part which is working is access to vaccinations and anti virals, which I have had.
I will receive my fifth vaccination nest week, for which I am grateful

Hear, hear.

Why do I say that? Because mdoll's post makes clear that there is a great deal of uncertainty and things unknown about the best approach to dealing with pandemics.

Some things worked in that they helped people (and saved their lives in many cases), but some things didn't work or worked after a fashion but caused collateral damage to some members of society and societies' economies. This is what people like Battcharya are studying first hand. They do not claim to know everything with certainty.,

Battacharya was an advocate for Herd Immunity before we had the vaccine. He thought the virus wasn't that deadly really and that governments shouldn't have lockdowns, but that vulnerable people should be locked away while the young and the fit just got on with it (The "it" would have been the dying, BTW). He thinks that PCR tests don't identify Covid effectively and that tracking the contacts of positive cases was a waste of time.

Baggs, you are suggesting that people listen to his video. They can listen if they want. But it is dangerous nonsense. Not every professor at Stamford is worth listening to.

After looking at this man’s profile I won’t be bothering to watch.
I guess you can find anything to support your already formed opinion if you look hard enough.

Not every professor at Stamford is worth listening to.

This may well be true but how can anyone know till they do listen? People seem to be judging the man rather than his arguments.

Herd immunity is not an extreme idea. Nor is it his only idea.

Goodness me, I'm not judging the man, I'm judging the anti-science views he has come out with during the course of the pandemic. I've no idea what kind of man he is, I only know about what he says about COVID. This is not the first time some of us have heard of him, and listened to or read what he says.

Herd immunity in the context of COVID is maybe not extreme, but it is invalid.

There are absolute truths in the world. But listening to people with new ideas is required. But trying to suggest that we should listen to everyone and be open minded, when they are demonstrably talking dangerous, unfounded nonsense, is not good for the world.

Baggs

^Not every professor at Stamford is worth listening to.^

This may well be true but how can anyone know till they do listen? People seem to be judging the man rather than his arguments.

Herd immunity is not an extreme idea. Nor is it his only idea.

I've read his website before and I know exactly what he's been advocating. Most of it is dangerous nonsense. Just because he's probably right about the wasted money for much of the Track and Trace scheme or that lockdown didn't have disadvantages, it doesn't mean that his so-called solutions would have been any better. The idea of herd immunity for a virus which has constantly mutated is nonsense and has resulted in avoidable deaths.