Well, we have 2 GC not 20 mins walk from where we live. We haven't seen them, and are allowed absolutely no contact for 3 1/2 years. HOWEVER, I am over it now, as is my hubby. We have and are still, building a good lives for ourselves without GKDS. We have cousins and brothers, although not where we live. We also have lots of friends, but they live overseas. All told we have a lot to be thankful for. But the icing on the cake is our other grandchildren, 2 of them, who live overseas. We Skype with them regularly and they are an absolute joy. And the mother of one of them, although divorced, has kept in touch throughout the years and remembers birthdays and mother's day and father's day. I thank my lucky stars.