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grandmaeurope Fri 17-Mar-17 08:46:54

Dear all,

I come to you after the advice of a dear friend.
I really need your help to make the relationship with my one and only DIL better.

Some background : I am 68 years old married to my DH (dear husband) (dear husband) 70 years old since 44 years and we have 2 children : DD (dear daughter) (dear daughter) 42 who has no children and DS (dear son) (dear son) 38 has a GF 32 that i will call DIL. They have my only grandaughter B, 8 months old, the light of my life.
Me and DH (dear husband) (dear husband) live in Europe. DS, DIL and DGD, live abroad 6 hours by plane from us.

My DIL is clever, beautiful, kind, funny and generous. Well, that was before the arrival of my grandaughter.

It started during pregnancy when she would not take my calls or answer my messages. It was so not her to do that ! She is very talkative usually. She had a very high risk pregnancy and i was worried. She was in bedrest at her mother in Europe while my DS (dear son) (dear son) was still abroad working. So i would call or text her everyday asking some questions about some medical stuff or just to tchat. She would not answer and send a text every 2 weeks or so to write :"everything is fine. Hope your okay!". Almost always the same text.
My DH (dear husband) (dear husband) and I asked my DS (dear son) (dear son) what was happening and he only told us to leave her alone.

Since then, our relationship got worse.
They decided to have the baby in Europe in our town and it has been decided that after the planned c section they will come rest at our place. (Where they live health facilities are very bad, it is a third world country). We were delighted to have our DGD home !

It was terrible as first she said she wanted 24 hours with no visits at the hospital. Then she would not let us take the baby to cuddle or spend time with. I understand she was very possessive of this baby as she has suffered previous losses.
But she would not even talk to us or very little. She was suddenly so aloof and cold.
She spent her time breastfeeding. It seems that she was breastfeeding non stop. Breastfeeding on demand she said. I have never seen that in my life. Or sleeping with the baby !
One time we were at dinner and the baby started crying. She took the baby to calm her but i wanted to help. So i woke up and told her to give me the baby. She just said no. It was really inconfortable and my son said nothing !
I pardon her because she seemed very tired after the birth !
After 3 weeks, my DH (dear husband) (dear husband) and I had to go the the mariage of my nephew in the Caribbean. But when we came back they had rented an appartement elsewhere ! We did not see our DGD during 10 days. We saw her during 1 dinner and then my DIL and DGD left to her mother in another town.
When she was at her mother, DH (dear husband) (dear husband) will text her and she will respond very sporadically. After 9 days without news, he texted my DIL's mother asking some news. Let's thing i know my DIL sends him a very mean text telling him to back off !

We only saw them 3 months later last Christmas and she was still very aloof almost mean.
I admit the mistakes I made during this week but i don't think it was that terrible.
I put an orange in my DGD mouth during one meal. She jumped of her seat and screamed at me "she is exclusively breastfeeded. I told You!". My DS (dear son) (dear son) started to get mad at me too. God it was just an orange !

I said 2 things and my DIL overreacted :

1/ Sometimes I call my DGD " my daughter". My DIL looked at me in the eyes with a scary look and told me "one thing needs to be clear : she is not your daughter, she is mine". I told her as she is my son's daughter, it is like she is my daughter. My son tells me i'm ridiculous. I think my DIL is. It is just to be affectionnate.

2/I told her next time they come, i will put the baby bed near the back of the room. She can't cosleep with her mother at 1 year old ! They have to get a bit detached.
She cut me while i was speaking and said in a non-friendly voice " i am sure the parents have a say in where their baby sleep".

I understand that sometimes as PIL (parents-in-law) (parents-in-law) we can be overbearing and sometimes pushy. But i only see them 2/3 times a year. And i feel like i can't enjoy my DGD. I walk on eggshells with her. I had never spend time alone with my DGD, her mother is always around.
Since they are abroad, we try to facetime once a week but she rarely participates in our talks with my DS.
My son told me she is going to fly to Washington DC (daycare, dear child) (daycare, dear child) for 2 weeks for business. And she is bringing the baby and her sister will come to babysit. I am sad she did not ask me as i do not work anymore. But i told her nothing.

Don't get me wrong, i love my DIL and she is a good mom. But i think she is a bit possessive. I have the feeling she is backing off the relationship and i want to do something.

I have 3 questions :
1/ Can someone explain me the behaviour of my DIL ? She seems frightened by our love.
2/ They are suppose to stay 3 weeks with us this summer. How to make her feel confortable and like her old self ? Talkative, funny and gracious ?
3/ My DS (dear son) (dear son) told me my DGD has a nanny and sometimes they go out at night and the baby stays with the nanny. We have the hope to babysit our baby this summer. How to make DIL confortable with this idea ?

Thanks for your help.

Grandmother M.

grandmaeurope Fri 17-Mar-17 15:47:09

I am happy some of you understand that i am really trying to get along with my DIL

I made mistakes and i admit it. I will apologize for it.

I wanted to be honest with you and tell you about the mistakes i think i made because my DIL was clearly mad (the orange that baby did not eat or calling the baby "my daughter"). But now i get so many terrible messages, i regret it.

I did not tell you what my husband did because i consider it is not my fault and i am not responsable for him. But yes, my DIL seems mad at him too, maybe even more with him.

We will evaluate and reflect on our role as grandparents. Maybe it is not what we though.
Thanks for all your answers. I will come back to update if there is some news but from now, i need to take distance from this forum.

thatbags Fri 17-Mar-17 15:45:31

Orange in baby's mouth is why people are seeing it from DiL's point of view.

Who other than a very annoying or very stupid person would give a piece of orange to an exclusively breast fed baby? It beggars believe.

willa45 Fri 17-Mar-17 15:43:01

I learned an interesting lesson about respect some years ago. It went something like this:

RESPECT is treating others how THEY wish to be treated, NEVER how YOU think they wish to be treated, and much less 'ought' to be treated.

Another way of saying this is that everyone lives inside their own emotional circle or boundary. Some people (no fault of their own) have very large circles; much bigger than normal. So big in fact, that others easily step on them...but no matter how big or small, the trick is never to step on someone's boundary unless you have their permission.

What YOU think your DIL needs or wants is not necessarily what SHE needs or wants. Good intentions won't do at all if she feels disrespected. Most people tend to push back or react negatively when they FEEL disrespected.

People who enjoy good relationships are usually more mindful of others wishes (and boundaries), than their own.

Something for you to think about.

GrannyMac1945 Fri 17-Mar-17 15:41:19

I feel sorry for grannyeurope, I haven't read all the posts but very judgemental. Dil changed during pregnancy, why? Did her mother intervene? There's more to this I feel. My DIL became even nicer and more inclusive with us so I'm lucky. Why is everyone seeing it from the DIL point of view exclusively, as English is not OPs first language she should be given a bit more understanding.

grandmaeurope Fri 17-Mar-17 15:39:51

Stansgran, many thanks

grandmaeurope Fri 17-Mar-17 15:38:26

Thanks for your advice. I will look into the book.

Stansgran Fri 17-Mar-17 15:21:47

I think grandma Europe is a grandma bursting with love for her new grandchild. Her child's child. She cares enormously for her DIL. She phones /skypes /messages her and does it because she cares not because she wants to be a pain.she sees DIL as an extension of her own son therefore her own family. We are all indoctrinated by Mumsnet to know about boundaries and it's their little unit,their little family not part of the original family- grandmaeurope and her DH and her DS. It can be very hard for a first time grandma to know what to do. Instinct to love is all embracing. Grandmas have often to learn the hard way. I made so many mistakes . If I had another child who had a child I now would be the perfect grandmothergrin. Give op some slack.

mumofmadboys Fri 17-Mar-17 14:59:06

I breast fed our five children on demand. The earliest one stopped was sixteen months and the longest time I breast fed one for was three years.

Jaycee5 Fri 17-Mar-17 14:55:45

I would send a card. Preferably one that say's sorry. Then just say that you didn't realise how full on you are being, mention specific things so it is clear that you take ownership of it. After that do nothing. Leave contact to them. Leave feeding decisions, sleeping decision and every other decision to them. Wait to be offered the baby to hold.
Your response here suggests that you still don't realise how difficult you made things for your DIL and your son. No one has accused you of being a devil but your have to admit that you were a nightmare and made what was obviously a difficult time for your DIL more difficult rather than easier.

margrete Fri 17-Mar-17 14:38:15

I've not read the whole of this. Life is too short.

But...if anyone had put an orange into my child's mouth I too would have gone apeshit.

And what's so unusual about breast-feeding on demand? It's not so unheard-of - it's quite common, in fact. I imagine that most of our ancestresses would have done the same.

Ilovecheese Fri 17-Mar-17 14:37:01

I you think you could apologise to her face and mean it, I would wait until the summer when you see her. If you don't think you could be sincere about it face to face I would write her a letter.

Bibbity Fri 17-Mar-17 14:12:57

I have to be honest. If I were your DIL the damage caused would be irreparable.
Stop contacting her. You are not her problem. She does not want a relationship with you.
You do come across as the MIL from hell. I'm sorry.
Do not text her. Do not call her. Don't you ever ever again ask her about her private medical information.

I'd send one message to your son. Keep it basic and don't make excuses for your behaviour.

Son, after some reflection I have realised that during the pregnancy and life of DGC I have behaved abhorrently to you and your family. I am deeply sorry for this. I will also from here on out cease harassing your family.
I will await for you to contact us before we contact you. Hope you're all well'

Teddy123 Fri 17-Mar-17 14:03:03

This has to be a "wind up" .... Surely no MIL can be this insensitive.
I don't believe a word of it!

EmilyHarburn Fri 17-Mar-17 14:02:33

Being a grandmother when the blood line is your son is the most difficult role. It is a life transition. First your son has to move from putting you first ( family of origin) to putting his new family (family of procreation) first.

you have to accept this change and then look at the 'new' family and find out what their rules are and abide by them.

This is very tricky to achieve. So do not be surprised that you may have been a 'bull in a china shop'.

In my family as I only have sons I leave my MIL to discuss any medical stuff with her own mother and I just ask is she is OK, what help would she like etc.

I use email and today my DIL sent me my Grand daughters GCSE time table that is great. I am delighted. I have sent a short thank you, printed out the time table and will respond with a shot chat over the phone this weekend at a time that suits them. etc.

I have now known the family for 17 years. I do not offer suggestions on how to do things but ask where I can help. MIL's own mother who lives closer is round every second day but that is her role.

so I think you have a great love for your new grand child but you need to channel it within the relationship boundaries.

As mother's day is coming up I suggest that you ask your son if he would give you this book:

The New Granny's Survival Guide: Everything you need to know to be the best gran by Gransnet (Author), Janet Ellis (Foreword)

Reading this would probably help you open up areas of thought and might allow you to engage in non threatening discussion with your son and MIL.

Good luck.

luluaugust Fri 17-Mar-17 13:54:45

Sounds like a lot of cultural differences here, calm down and and give things a chance to settle. Its up to the parents how they bring up their child, the advice here is good have a think about it.

Sheilasue Fri 17-Mar-17 13:43:11

You need to back off give them time with the baby and I am sure they will be in touch.
The situation seems o be very stressful at the moment.

grandmaeurope Fri 17-Mar-17 13:38:27

I am overwhelmed by all these answers. By the quantité and also the harshness.

I will apologize to my DIL when i'll get the chance.

It was a mistake saying i skype daily. We skype weekly ! Please understand english is not my first language and i have a lot of messages to answer to. Please bear with me.

I am genuinely sorry. People are questionning this. It hurts.
There is a lot to reflect on. I feel like you see me like a devil MIL. I am not.

Do i wait this summer to apologize face to face or do i call her ? I doubt she will answer though.
I though of calling my son and talk with him.

What are your thoughts ?

Thanks.
Grandma M.

Tessa101 Fri 17-Mar-17 13:38:14

I agree with most posts on here, just reading your post was to full on and demanding. Take a step back!!!!!!!!

grandmaeurope Fri 17-Mar-17 13:32:34

I am overwh

Madgran77 Fri 17-Mar-17 13:31:09

.."driving them away completely"! Oh and why do you keep repeating the phrases in brackets?

Madgran77 Fri 17-Mar-17 13:29:33

1. She is not interfering...she is the childs mother and sets the rules
2. Why are you deciding the sleeping arrangements even if it is your house ...none of your business if they wa t to co-sleep! Why do you think you have a right to decide that, tell her and expect her to be ok with I?
3. What possessed you to give the child orange when she is exclusively breastfed?

These are 3 examples of things you could directly apologise to your Son and DIL about, when telling them that you love them and your granddaughter dearly and asking them specifically how you can rectify things, make things better between you etc etc. And the you have to a)accept their replies b) not argue with their replies c) follow what they want to the letter...graciously!

If you do the above maybe you stand a chance of not driving them say completely!!

mulberryruth Fri 17-Mar-17 13:28:48

Hello Grandmaeurope, I sense that you have something missing in your own life for you to want to be so involved in your son's family life. I also sense that you are having to try hard not to interfere which must be very stressful for you.
Maybe if you develop your own life and activities, maybe do some voluntary work or learn something new, yoga or relaxation, then you will naturally find a new focus of interest and your focus on your son and his family will find a less intense level.
I have noticed that in all relationships a sense of desperation/neediness in one of the parties just pushes the other further away. Be busy, wait until they contact you next time, be happy and pleased when they do and tell them about your own new found interests and LISTEN to them. Maybe this will help or not. Later on when there are more children they will probably be glad of some time to themselves and then you may get asked for help. If you get a chance in the summer just listen.... don't offer advice and don't even say 'in my day' it really isn't helpful. I hope things get better.
I have said to my DD and DiL 'I am here if you need me' from the beginning and I have my DGSs (both now 2yrs for the odd days and nights). It is lovely but exhausting(especially as I have a full time job)so be careful what you wish for!

LesleyC Fri 17-Mar-17 13:26:12

OMG I can't believe anyone of our generation would tell the next generation of parents how to do things! I wouldn't even talk to my own daughter like that, let alone a daughter-in-law. You only have to read articles in magazines and papers to see how different things are these days, whether we agree with it or not. I can't believe anyone has not heard of breast feeding on demand or co-sleeping. Sorry to be harsh, but your whole outlook and attitude needs changing, which might be hard if it is a cultural difference.

Juney64 Fri 17-Mar-17 13:21:51

I'm inclined to agree with Mermaid. It's almost as though this post was designed to wind up GN. In the OP you say you FaceTime once a week then later it switches to Skype once a day - changed to once a week.

Call me insensitive but I'm skeptical about the authenticity of this post.

kathyd Fri 17-Mar-17 13:19:55

No-one has mentioned that if you do have the chance to babysit your granddaughter it is important not to smother her with too much demonstrative affection as she is growing up. That can alienate a child too.