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grandmaeurope Fri 17-Mar-17 08:46:54

Dear all,

I come to you after the advice of a dear friend.
I really need your help to make the relationship with my one and only DIL better.

Some background : I am 68 years old married to my DH (dear husband) (dear husband) 70 years old since 44 years and we have 2 children : DD (dear daughter) (dear daughter) 42 who has no children and DS (dear son) (dear son) 38 has a GF 32 that i will call DIL. They have my only grandaughter B, 8 months old, the light of my life.
Me and DH (dear husband) (dear husband) live in Europe. DS, DIL and DGD, live abroad 6 hours by plane from us.

My DIL is clever, beautiful, kind, funny and generous. Well, that was before the arrival of my grandaughter.

It started during pregnancy when she would not take my calls or answer my messages. It was so not her to do that ! She is very talkative usually. She had a very high risk pregnancy and i was worried. She was in bedrest at her mother in Europe while my DS (dear son) (dear son) was still abroad working. So i would call or text her everyday asking some questions about some medical stuff or just to tchat. She would not answer and send a text every 2 weeks or so to write :"everything is fine. Hope your okay!". Almost always the same text.
My DH (dear husband) (dear husband) and I asked my DS (dear son) (dear son) what was happening and he only told us to leave her alone.

Since then, our relationship got worse.
They decided to have the baby in Europe in our town and it has been decided that after the planned c section they will come rest at our place. (Where they live health facilities are very bad, it is a third world country). We were delighted to have our DGD home !

It was terrible as first she said she wanted 24 hours with no visits at the hospital. Then she would not let us take the baby to cuddle or spend time with. I understand she was very possessive of this baby as she has suffered previous losses.
But she would not even talk to us or very little. She was suddenly so aloof and cold.
She spent her time breastfeeding. It seems that she was breastfeeding non stop. Breastfeeding on demand she said. I have never seen that in my life. Or sleeping with the baby !
One time we were at dinner and the baby started crying. She took the baby to calm her but i wanted to help. So i woke up and told her to give me the baby. She just said no. It was really inconfortable and my son said nothing !
I pardon her because she seemed very tired after the birth !
After 3 weeks, my DH (dear husband) (dear husband) and I had to go the the mariage of my nephew in the Caribbean. But when we came back they had rented an appartement elsewhere ! We did not see our DGD during 10 days. We saw her during 1 dinner and then my DIL and DGD left to her mother in another town.
When she was at her mother, DH (dear husband) (dear husband) will text her and she will respond very sporadically. After 9 days without news, he texted my DIL's mother asking some news. Let's thing i know my DIL sends him a very mean text telling him to back off !

We only saw them 3 months later last Christmas and she was still very aloof almost mean.
I admit the mistakes I made during this week but i don't think it was that terrible.
I put an orange in my DGD mouth during one meal. She jumped of her seat and screamed at me "she is exclusively breastfeeded. I told You!". My DS (dear son) (dear son) started to get mad at me too. God it was just an orange !

I said 2 things and my DIL overreacted :

1/ Sometimes I call my DGD " my daughter". My DIL looked at me in the eyes with a scary look and told me "one thing needs to be clear : she is not your daughter, she is mine". I told her as she is my son's daughter, it is like she is my daughter. My son tells me i'm ridiculous. I think my DIL is. It is just to be affectionnate.

2/I told her next time they come, i will put the baby bed near the back of the room. She can't cosleep with her mother at 1 year old ! They have to get a bit detached.
She cut me while i was speaking and said in a non-friendly voice " i am sure the parents have a say in where their baby sleep".

I understand that sometimes as PIL (parents-in-law) (parents-in-law) we can be overbearing and sometimes pushy. But i only see them 2/3 times a year. And i feel like i can't enjoy my DGD. I walk on eggshells with her. I had never spend time alone with my DGD, her mother is always around.
Since they are abroad, we try to facetime once a week but she rarely participates in our talks with my DS.
My son told me she is going to fly to Washington DC (daycare, dear child) (daycare, dear child) for 2 weeks for business. And she is bringing the baby and her sister will come to babysit. I am sad she did not ask me as i do not work anymore. But i told her nothing.

Don't get me wrong, i love my DIL and she is a good mom. But i think she is a bit possessive. I have the feeling she is backing off the relationship and i want to do something.

I have 3 questions :
1/ Can someone explain me the behaviour of my DIL ? She seems frightened by our love.
2/ They are suppose to stay 3 weeks with us this summer. How to make her feel confortable and like her old self ? Talkative, funny and gracious ?
3/ My DS (dear son) (dear son) told me my DGD has a nanny and sometimes they go out at night and the baby stays with the nanny. We have the hope to babysit our baby this summer. How to make DIL confortable with this idea ?

Thanks for your help.

Grandmother M.

jocork Fri 17-Mar-17 22:06:20

I don't think this is a wind up at all. My MIL overstepped the mark many times in the early days with unwanted advice as well as inappropriate behaviour. She has also alienated her other DIL, although I think she is trying to rebuild the relationship. I am now divorced so don't have as much contact with her nowadays but there were times I found her very difficult to tolerate when my children were young. She now occasionally expresses opinions to my daughter which cause offence and my daughter has complained to me about her but I suspect no-one has ever put her straight as bluntly as people have been with gradmaeurope. She has the opportunity to learn from her mistakes but sadly I fear my MIL may continue to make them! My son is getting married this year and I hope my future DIL will benefit from my experiences as I will know how NOT to behave!

norose4 Fri 17-Mar-17 21:23:11

Could well be Barmy , if not well let's hope notice of replies have been inwardly digested!?

Barmyoldbat Fri 17-Mar-17 21:05:15

This is the sort of stunt a group of teenagers would pull, all those dear husband, dear husband and repeats its someone taking the p....

norose4 Fri 17-Mar-17 20:56:36

Grandmaeurope, you say you want to make things better, perhaps a huge apology for being so involved & overwhelming would be a start & a promise to go at the pace your Dil is comfy with. You have more chance of being welcomed to be involved in your grandchilds future if you back off a bit now, that would show the depth of your love for all of them.

Jalima Fri 17-Mar-17 20:19:13

Vous avez probablement raison Barmyoldbat smile

Barmyoldbat Fri 17-Mar-17 20:12:51

This is just a wind up and shall not respind

Jalima Fri 17-Mar-17 20:02:16

vous dites!!
Excusez-moi!

Jalima Fri 17-Mar-17 20:00:26

Calmez-vous et prenez-le facile. Laissez les parents à eux.
Il n'est pas facile d'être un nouveau parent et trop d'interférences peuvent bouleverser une nouvelle mère.
Laissez-les trouver leur propre chemin - même s'ils demandent de l'aide ois très très prudent ce que tu dis.
Le moins dit le plus rapidement réparé.

Poly580 Fri 17-Mar-17 19:47:19

Sorry I really don't believe this is a genuine post

pollyperkins Fri 17-Mar-17 19:27:27

I think this is a genuine post as I know someone rather like this who is from a different culture. Instead of criticising (some posts are very harsh) we need to give helpful advice as some have done, and which is what she asked for.
To Grannyeurope I'd just say: You are aware now that you've made some mistakes and I think an apology would be a good idea but dont go over the top. A letter or card saying you are sorry to have upset her, you realise you were insensitive and will try to do better in future. Then back off as others have said ie dont keep contacting/skyping/texting but thank her nicely for any photos or other communications. If rhet are coming to stay with you as you have indicated, try really hard not to give advice, demand attention etc but be supportive - eg 'you are doing really well and the baby is lovely'. . Ask about everything regarding meals, sleeping arrangemnts, outings or anything else planned. Be guided by them, MAKE SURE YOUR HUSBAND READS THESE POSTS TOO or he is in danger of antagonising them. Just enjoy watching them with the baby and if she offers for you to hold th baby or to babysit accept graciously.
It's very hard not to give advice and I have had to bite my lip several times (that is, shut my mouth and not say anything.). I still ask my DiLs about food and sleeping arrangements every time they come and the children are a lot older.
If advice is asked for thats a different matter but dont be offended if they don't take your advice!

Jalima Fri 17-Mar-17 19:24:48

French? Oh [surprised]

Well, take a step back and remember - it's their baby, their rules and you have to accept that and bite your tongue!

grandmaeurope Fri 17-Mar-17 19:19:28

Direne3 thanks for saying my english is good. But yes french is my first language and yes i really came here to find support.

I think it is the end of this board. I had enough advice i think and a lot to think about. I will share it with my husband and try to get better.

Thanks again.

M.

Jalima Fri 17-Mar-17 19:19:17

I am not sure what nationality you are grandmaeurope and whether or not your DIL is of the same nationality as you which may make a difference.
Some MILs of certain nationalities do tend to have more of a hands-on approach to grandparenting - their daughters may be accepting of this but a DIL may decide that that is not what she wants or needs so I would try to back off or risk not seeing them at all.

I speak from first-hand observation btw.

Maggiemaybe Fri 17-Mar-17 19:07:08

Anyone else noticed how dramatically grandmaeurope's grasp of English has improved in her last post.

Can't say I have, Direne3 confused

Bluegayn58 Fri 17-Mar-17 19:06:37

grandmaeurope, I guess it's always a very emotional time when a new baby is expected in the family, and you just probably got a bit over excited.

If I were you, I would write a lovely note to your dil to say sorry for upsetting her, and that it was not your intention. Now you must take a step back and allow the new family to settle into their lives. Contact them occasionally to ask how they all are, and that you are there for them if they need any help.

An over enthusiastic mil is something a dil will want to back away from. I really hope you can go forward with a better understanding. xx

marionk Fri 17-Mar-17 18:41:04

Goodness me, you are very demanding, daily phone calls and texts would drive anyone crazy! Putting anything in a baby's mouth is way out of order and their reaction has been to stop you looking after her and get in a nanny. None of her upbringing is up to you, she is their child and you need to keep quiet and hope they learn to trust you in the future

Direne3 Fri 17-Mar-17 18:22:34

Anyone else noticed how dramatically grandmaeurope's grasp of English has improved in her last post. Based on this I now agree with others doubts on the validity of all of her postings.

beccyb Fri 17-Mar-17 18:16:00

I have noticed recently that a lot of people seem very quick to jump down posters throats, without any understanding or useful advice!
I would say that I feel very sad for you that your relationship with your DIL seems to have broken down since she became pregnant. Possible texting everyday was a lot but I'm guessing that if you had received a few replies you would have text less often.
Your DIL obviously has a very different style of parenting than you are used to, and you will have to get used to that, but love and cuddles from grandparents are important in any childs life, and I do hope that you can come together with your DIL about this.

judypark Fri 17-Mar-17 17:41:47

grandmaeurope, it's probable that she suddenly changed at that polnt because she was told that it was a high risk pregnancy and felt that the pressure on her to produce this perfect grandchild to be suffocating. Rest in pregnancy isn't just physical, it's to be free of stress too. Receiving daily texts when there is nothing new to report is in itself stressful.
I do wonder if this is a cultural difference also? Were you raised in family where Grandmothers, especially the paternal one was seen as the matriarch of the family and their ways and advice were followed without question. If so you and your DIL will have completely differing views of your role.
Yes, there have been mistakes made, but you have acknowledged these, as grandparents I doubt none of us are not guilty of this at some point.
Please tread very carefully, this is not you DIL, she is your sons girlfriend and could disappear from your life and your sons very easily. I wish you well.

paddyann Fri 17-Mar-17 17:05:58

*grandmaeurope" you say she changed when she went to rest at her mothers...maybe because she was anxious and stressed about the pregnancy and you calling every day made her worry more.I know that when I had miscarriages the last thing I wanted was constant questioning from my mum .It just makes things worse.If you can see your way to apologising for that then you might get back on track,she would probably read a letter or e-mail I'm sure .Then you can tell her you understand where you went wrong and that you will respect their views on raising their child .I hope it works out well for you,and that you have learnned that your attitude is what caused the issue in the first place.If she gets pregnant again,dont call ,send her flowers or books to occupy her and that way she knows you're thinking about her but dont want to make her stress

Luckylegs9 Fri 17-Mar-17 16:40:04

Afraid non of this rings true, anyone would run a mile with mil like this. Enough said.

Bibbity Fri 17-Mar-17 16:34:14

She had a high risk pregnancy. She was exhausted and scared. And by what you've written you were way over the top in your messages/line of questioning.

You more than likely overwhelmed her and so she took a step back. Her sole focus was her pregnancy.
In the nicest way possible. You had absolutely no right to any information about her or the baby. She may have been exhausted by the constant questioning.
She may have decided that as you are her husbands family that from that moment he should be the one to communicate with you.
This is a very common decision for a lot of new parents. There is nothing wrong with it and it works well for many.
You deal with yours I'll deal with mine.

grandmaeurope Fri 17-Mar-17 15:55:46

Honestly i don't know why she changed so suddenly. She changed before the orange story. She changed exactly in january 2016, when she was 3/4 months pregnant and went to her mother to rest during her pregnancy. We has just spent Christmas all together and all was perfect.
She suddenly would not want to answer my texts or calls.

You have to understand that before that, she would talk to me for hours, we would go shopping together, to the museum. She would send me some articles by mails.
Very very lovely.

Maggiemaybe Fri 17-Mar-17 15:54:42

That's a kind post, Stansgran, and I agree with you. The OP has made mistakes, lots of them, but is very keen to learn and to make amends. I'm assuming the orange was a segment of orange, not the whole fruit, and she has already said she just put it to the child's lips, and didn't actually shove it in her mouth. My own lovely DMIL wanted me to spoonfeed condensed milk to my exclusively breastfed six week old baby, as she was on the small side. This was well meant, if bloody daft, so why would I have taken umbrage? None of the OP's actions were malicious. Unlike at least one mean-spirited post on this thread. Most people have given good, thoughtful advice which I'm sure the OP will take on board, and I wish her all the best in building those bridges back up.

Luckygirl Fri 17-Mar-17 15:53:10

I think that it is being cruel to be kind to tell granmaeurope very clearly that she is out of order. Hopefully that will clear the way for a happy time with her GS, which is what she wants to achieve.

There do seem to be some language difficulties which may have clouded communication and made her sound more dogmatic than she really is.

I think she has got off on the wrong foot, but that things can be mended for the future - so lots of luck!