Ha, ha! loved the way you worded that Vampq! Ooh, bet he's in the doghouse! Since I've been unable to do the garden myself; OH was asked to chop back a bit of ivy with Virginia creeper running through it that was hanging over a wall, as we were getting wet when we walked past it if it had been raining. Attacked it so vigorously, that the entire thing fell over the wall and disappeared. He has not been asked again. Which was probably the cunning plan all along. Tried eldest son, and asked if he would sever, at the roots, a bit of ivy that was choking lilac tree. He whizzed round and severed all the roots of my clematis that was growing up through it. It had only taken 15 years to get established! Fences blew down in a storm. Fencers came and one said 'It wasn't in the way, but I've pulled out all of that dead wood in the corner for you'. And there went my other clematis. Just hired a couple of gardeners. Thought it safer!