Father removes 9 yr old daughter from school over sex ed lessons

I’m horrified that ten year old children are being taught about anal sex
Why on earth do they need to know about anything other than the norm ?

FYI
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Crazy for him to do that...yes we have the "talk" with our kids but it being backed up in school even at the age of 9/10 has to be a good thing?
Does he not realise that some kids become sexually active at a very young age

"Misogynistic" The DM may well be in some respects, but having read Hadley Freeman's account of why she left The Guardian and now writes for The ST, she and others feel that it also biased . Under the auspices of it's female editor HF stated that woman will happily throw journalists such as her and Suzanne Moore under the bus in their opposition to a well known male journalist who writes for The Guardian and who many women now regard as a misogynist.

She was lucky, my family were on holiday for the one sex education lesson we were scheduled for in the early 70s for a 4th year junior class.
So I got to see the film in the company of my parents and younger sister!

As a very old retired teacher - mother and grandmother - I am astounded by the lack of general knowledge about what I would consider important subjects, among many of the young people who have just been through our education system. So many seem to have no idea of geography- UK or worldwide, poor literacy and language skills, no interest in or knowledge of history- recent or distant, very little knowledge of art or literature - all things that I would deem important. However, I’m old so what do I know? Anyone can learn about sex at any time - but there are so many other interesting subjects and experiences for 9 yr olds to learn about the world they live in, than what some humans like to do about sex whatever their sexuality- Let those children be children - childhood is short and precious.

TerriBull

"Misogynistic" The DM may well be in some respects, but having read Hadley Freeman's account of why she left The Guardian and now writes for The ST, she and others feel that it also biased . Under the auspices of it's female editor HF stated that woman will happily throw journalists such as her and Suzanne Moore under the bus in their opposition to a well known male journalist who writes for The Guardian and who many women now regard as a misogynist.

Oh yes.

Not just for opposing OJ, but for having views which conflict with the Guardian's party line on women's rights as they are threatened by trans rights.

Doodledog

kircubbin2000

We didn't have any sex education and I'm glad now that I'm not young and expected to do some of these things young people indulge in.
I didn't believe people actually did things like oral or anal sex until relatively recently.

Oh they did 😀.

There is lots of evidence from paintings (including graffiti) in Roman ruins, for example. And it was usual for Ancient Greeks to have women for procreation and boys for pleasure - the rich ones anyway. Also the use of the term ’French practices’ for oral and anal sex (both of which carried minimal risk of pregnancy) shows that people in both France and England partook, and there is no reason to believe that it didn’t happen elsewhere.

I don’t think that anything people do in bed is new. Each generation thinks they invented it, but that’s because it is new to them, and there is something taboo about imagining your parents being sexual beings.

Exactly - and in many cultures or communities where virginity is 'prized, anal sex is actually a common practice because they think that 'technically' it means the woman is still a virgin! No, I don't understand it either, but it happens.

Just two small things to say, at this age sex Ed is biological, talks about safeguarding and consent and is useful, it’s a parents right to remove a child from these lessons, however removing from school, unless going to home school, will do nothing as sex Ed on the national curriculum, point 2) RE now covers ALL religions and is a great learning

After a school sex education lesson, my very bright 11 year old granddaughter was terribly worried that she'd been born in the wrong body because she has hairy legs. Thankfully she's the sort of child who tells her mum her worries and so was reassured hairy legs are perfectly normal for girls. My other granddaughter is a different personality and would have internalised her worries and become very stressed. At 11, children's brains are still developing. They cannot process too much information all at once. They are not mini adults. They need good, basic sex education, but they definitely don't need all the details until they are older.

Oh just read some of the comments and I’m actually crying - whether from laughing or disbelief is difficult to know, of course people “indulged” in under-age sex, sex outside of marriage, oral sex, anal sex and in the hippy era of the 60’s group sex !! I think the two most important lessons our pubescent children need to learn is what “consent” actually means and no one has the right to touch your body if you don’t want them too, followed by contraception and STD’s and that sex, at an appropriate time is a great thing plus learning about the dangers of grooming

You only have to look at the people still coming to this thread believing 9 year olds are learning about anal sex to see the damage that newspaper does

I don't know why it's allowed

There seems to be from some people an idea that if we don’t teach children about sex they won’t indulge and that teaching children will encourage them to engage in sexual activity. I went to a Catholic high school where there was no sex education until we were 15/16 and even then it was of the most basic kind. Sex education was given at the local comprehensive. Guess which school had the most teenage pregnancies? And no it wasn’t the comprehensive.

Educating children is empowering them

My daughter is in year 4. It's not the mechanics of sex that's taught at this age. It's relationships, different families and values.

VioletSky

You only have to look at the people still coming to this thread believing 9 year olds are learning about anal sex to see the damage that newspaper does

I don't know why it's allowed

Ignorance is bliss but knowledge is power, so they say. It just makes me wonder why people are happy to be left in ignorance by these newspapers thus handing them great power over us.

its not about religion but why are they teaching anal sex and masterbation to young pre teens??? Even giving masterbation as homework!!!

Every child develops differently…I never got any sex Ed at school, because I was considered ‘bright’ and they jumped me a year…but in doing that I missed out on a lot of basics I felt the lack of later! As younger teenagers I remember being in the car with my younger sister ( probably aged 13 and 10? In c. 1959 ) and we were discussing some celebrity or other whom we said was a ‘homo’ - my mother ( born in 1908) who was driving turned to us and said “What is a homosexual?’ …. we were both
scarlet with embarrassment at having to explain.
Kids learn all sorts much earlier now and I’m in full agreement that they should learn the true facts early before they come across ‘ all the rest’ online etc…. At an early age of around 9 most of them will not be sexualised yet, so it should stand them in good stead to understand things when sex begins to rear its head…as it did for all of us sooner or later. If they have sensible parents they will discuss whatever topic arises without bias, helping the child to have a rounded view of what they will inevitably come across later and hopefully disregard the smut that will be spread in the school yard!
Being so called Christian has NO bearing on education, sexual or otherwise! This parent ( IF that is what happened given the twisting that goes on in all media) is doing a severe disservice to his child. She is now going to equate sex as ‘wrong’!

Where is your proof of this, please jane.

I keep asking for proof this is happening, but page after page people keep repeating this as if it is a truth but offering no proof whatsoever.

It’s hard to know what you would accept as proof.

Not reports in newspapers or on the internet.

Not anecdotal as in parents say this is what my child has been taught.

Not social media.

Not accounts of parents being denied access to curriculum and lesson plans. And removing their children because they are deeply untrusting of professional integrity.

These build up to a body of evidence that something is happening but the aura of secrecy and the patronising insistence “Nothing to see here. On your way” can just as easily be a cloak.

Why, if there is nothing that would disturb, is there such reluctance to involve parents and to be open about what is taught.

We do know for a fact that material designed to be for teenagers has been shown to 9 and 10 year olds. That surely should raise questions as to why and how that decision was taken.

Some might argue that the more knowledge a child is given and the earlier, the better their education.
Or those with in-depth understanding of children’s learning might argue that it is most effective and enduring it begins where the child is at, at a level of present interest and understanding. And that too much, presented at an adult level, leads to confusion and misunderstandings.

Anyway, there is sufficient concern aroused for there to be an official enquiry taking place. We await the outcome. Would you accept their findings as valid?

Good post Lathyrus.

Well said, Lathyrus.

These constant demands for 'proof' are tiresome. How are people on a discussion site likely to have any more proof than anyone else unless we are personally involved, and even then, anecdotal evidence is not 'proof'?

We all have access to the Internet, so if anyone wants 'proof', they can do the legwork themselves and look for information that will prove or disprove something to their own satisfaction.

In the meantime, people will continue discussing what is in the news on the N&P section of a discussion board. Nobody has sworn on oath that they know anything to be true - it is the ideas that matter. It's one thing to ask for sources, so people aren't simply repeating their own prejudices, but insisting that we investigate everything that is reported in the media and provide 'proof' would imply close down GN if we let it.

At least those who have genuine concerns about this 1 school showing 1 video by mistake which only 1 parent complained about...

Should be stamping down on the other nonsense rather than chucking more fuel on the fire

If I had a pound for every time I have been asked for proof by the people now complaining about it... I would have at least £50

Not to be sneezed at in the cost of living crisis

“As most of them are not sexualised yet, it should stand them in good stead when sex tears it’s head.”

I think this is typical of what’s been called “the hurry-up” curriculum. The idea that the sooner we teach things the better.

It’s been applied to many subjects over the past 20 or so years, such as Maths and English, with no very positive results. Why do some think we’ll produce a generation that enjoys sex more or is less abused because of being introduced to it earlier, That also is a statement that lacks proof.

There is an oft repeated but oft disregarded mantra:

The best way to prepare a child for being a teenager is to allow them to be a child.