Antivaxxers

Also (just seen this) the Lancet survey "examined global trends in vaccine confidence using data from 290 surveys done between September, 2015, and December, 2019" so the vaccines they examined were not CoVid ones.

Bobdoesit It is probably because Brexit was such a basic change of so many aspects of national and personal life that it has in truth affected almost everything that is discussed.

lemongrove

‘Ere we go, ‘ere we go.
Another attempt to smear anyone who voted to leave the EU.
Well, I’m a very enthusiastic Brexit supporter and ditto for the vaccinations.
There are anti vaxxers in all EU countries and the US and anywhere else you care to mention which has sod all to do with Brexit.

We're both Brexiteers in our household too, both degree level education and very much pro-vaccine. We still believe we'll be better off outside EU - DH worked sometimes in Brussels and saw the obscene waste of time and resources. We think vaccination should be compulsory in public-facing jobs, particularly in health and care sectors. Anti-vaxers have no right to endanger lives of others.

Yes, quite

Alegrias1

MayBeMaw

I think it’s a ridiculous correlation and while it may be possible to interpret the statistics accordingly, we all know what they say about statistics!

It doesn't matter if you think its ridiculous or not, its still a correlation.

OK .
Speaking as a triple vaccinated MA so an Arts Higher Education -not Science - I rather like like not fitting the stereotype.

So instead of weak, how about a spurious correlation?

I know this post is about anti vaxxers, and which social group they might belong to. But have you not noticed all these survey, news reports, advertising not just about vacancies or brexit. Millennials verses baby boomers, I could go on, but I'm sure you get the picture, there all about pitting one group against another, surely we should be trying to find the common ground as a way forward as a nation. Just for clarity I voted remain and I've been vaccinated.

lemongrove

‘Ere we go, ‘ere we go.
Another attempt to smear anyone who voted to leave the EU.
Well, I’m a very enthusiastic Brexit supporter and ditto for the vaccinations.
There are anti vaxxers in all EU countries and the US and anywhere else you care to mention which has sod all to do with Brexit.

Well said Lemongrove! I totally agree

Means nothing. A difference of 6.7% is hardly anything. I doubt the number asked would have been high either. Just a waste of money doing it really.

God there are some hoity toity comments about "Brexiteers" on this thread, I wasn't one, but assumptions such as "I've always thought that people who voted for Brexit on Little Englander grounds were insular in approach and less likely to favour mutual support or actions to benefit the majority" what an assumption given that statistics tell us that an older demographic were more likely to have voted for Brexit but conversely they are more likely to be vaccinated and wear masks So is that criticism also to be levied at certain ethnic minorities who at the outset of the pandemic were also reluctant to take up the offer of a vaccine?

"That is how society broadens functions in say France or Germany" allegedly! although given the dissent in mainland Europe to mandated vaccines, Police State and lockdowns, that might suggest otherwise.

I very much agree with Galaxy "I find the way people who talk about those who voted Brexit abhorrent" I know plenty from both camps, Remainers and Brexiteers all vaccinated. The people who I know or know of who have refused the vaccine are of the younger generation. One young woman in particular had a mother who adopted what might be called "an alternative lifestyle" and is vehemently against vaccines per se.

Oh how I hate this playing with statistics, as here trying to show that those bad Brexiteers are also bad anti -vaxxers!
Btw, I thought that the vote to remain or leave was about staying in or leaving the organisation called the European Union.

The University of Oxford apparently teaches the use of questionaires and statistics rather differently from the University of Copenhagen.

We were taught that it is usually inadvisable to include questions on unrelated matters in the same survey.

To get solid results as to whether leavers or remainers in the Brxit discussion are most likely to be vaccinated strikes me as trying to prove a correlation that could be due to any number of other factors rather than the two named.

I am wondering too, why it should be of any interest to know whether the one or the other standpoint on any political issue influenced the choice for or against vaccination.

You know what I hate Nannapat1? People who get all offended by the results of a survey that doesn't fit with their prejudices and haven't got the smarts to understand what it means.

That this survey found that if you had 100 Brexit voters, and 100 Remain voters, 13 of the Brexit voters would be loathe to be vaccinated and 6 of the Remain voters would be.

Them's the facts. Its not spurious either.

I am wondering too, why it should be of any interest to know whether the one or the other standpoint on any political issue influenced the choice for or against vaccination.

I explained above. Maybe you missed it.

lemongrove

‘Ere we go, ‘ere we go.
Another attempt to smear anyone who voted to leave the EU.
Well, I’m a very enthusiastic Brexit supporter and ditto for the vaccinations.
There are anti vaxxers in all EU countries and the US and anywhere else you care to mention which has sod all to do with Brexit.

Is Brexit working well, do you think? I really would like to know how those who voted for it are finding the outcome.

It is sometimes necessary to analyse the relationship between interconnected factors.

For instance we know that older people were more likely to have voted leave so if older people were also less willing to be vaccinated there might be a spurious correlation between being a brexiter and being an antivaxxer. However we know that older people are more likely to have taken the vaccine than younger people so that argument would not apply in this case.

In any event correlation does not imply causation. The association may be due to another characteristic which antivaxxers and leave voters have in common. Without seeing a detailed analysis we can only guess what that might be.

It does no harm to repeat that anectotal evidence never proves of disproves anything, yet so often we see a GN post along the lines of "all my friends voted leave and they've all been jabbed". Anecdotal evidence is usually based on a very small, self selected sample.

As I'm sure others have mentioned, this article was from February 2021. Only the elderly and ill were being vaccinated at that time.

I was in the 60 plus group and didn't qualify for my vaccine until June.

Probably better to do a survey now to see who's who and what's what.

Zoejory, yes - but why let the facts get in the way? grandtanteJE65, Agreed, there are so many factors. I think the correlation could well be a lack of trust in general. It's quite hilarious, on GN, how Brexit is deemed to be the root of all evil, though.

lemongrove

‘Ere we go, ‘ere we go.
Another attempt to smear anyone who voted to leave the EU.
Well, I’m a very enthusiastic Brexit supporter and ditto for the vaccinations.
There are anti vaxxers in all EU countries and the US and anywhere else you care to mention which has sod all to do with Brexit.

Couldn’t agree more

Is Brexit working well, do you think? I really would like to know how those who voted for it are finding the outcome

I am sure there are plenty of other threads on which to discuss Brexit.
I thought this was about Anti-vaxxers

Irrespective of how people voted we have left the EU so what’s to be gained by such statistics? It only serves to continue the antagonism between the two factions

I did that you Gov survey and it didn't give any indication that anti vaxxers supported Brexit most probably another lot of fake news

Correlation isn’t causation - but nice try anyway.

In other news, I expect Margaret Thatcher caused Covid.

Nannina

Irrespective of how people voted we have left the EU so what’s to be gained by such statistics? It only serves to continue the antagonism between the two factions

Genuine statistics don't continue the antagonism. Sensational media reporting and inbuilt prejudice do.

It's also possibly because we have more experience of being invaded , bombed attacked on our own territory etc by terrorists.i remember the palava with being searched and being ultra aware in 70s because of IRA bomb threats on mainland! Especially as I was civil service and DH police!

Gabrielle56

It's also possibly because we have more experience of being invaded , bombed attacked on our own territory etc by terrorists.i remember the palava with being searched and being ultra aware in 70s because of IRA bomb threats on mainland! Especially as I was civil service and DH police!

Eh?