Scientists have published a letter in the Lancet, saying that they have 5 main concerns over the governments plans for unmitigated infection.
I have taken this from John Campbell’s site.
First - disproportionately affecting children and young people
There are 17 million people with no covid protection.
Exponential growth will continue until millions more people are infected
This will leave hundreds of thousands of people with long term illness and disability
Risks leaving a generation with ill health.
Second - transmission in schools will lead to educational disruption.
There should be strict mitigation in schools and eventual vaccination of children.
Important for clinically vulnerable children and socially vulnerable children.
Third - emergent of vaccine resistant mutations, with their potential spread.
Fourth - there will significant impact on exhausted clinicians.
There is no break yet between infection and hospital admission.
Rising case numbers will inevitably mean more hospital admissions.
Millions of people are waiting for procedures and many will die waiting.
Fifth
Deprived communities are very exposed.
The deprived and marginalised will be disproportionately affected.
Given that vaccine offers the same protection and herd immunity, the governments strategy is unethical and illogical.
The U.K. government must reconsider its current strategy and take urgent steps to protect people and children.
We believe that the U.K. government is embarking on a dangerous and unethical experiment, and we call on it to pause its planned endings of all mitigation on 19 July.
He’s only just decided to join the “test” so he isn’t isolating. Joke. I’m turning off my test n trace as I’ll imagine thousands of others already have.
“ Especially as he is off on his free jollies to Jamaica, paid by G*d knows whom!!! ”
Please tell me this is not true. Flying off to Jamaica ??what a wonderful example,to us all.
I’ve only just this minute googled ‘parliament recess’ and Johnson holiday because I had it in my head that he was about to jet off to Jamaica
Isolation has to be sorted if you are double jabbed a daily Lateral flow test is a more sensible option
We have so many in isolation because they have been pinged that this is causing more chaos
Nigel Farage ( on GB News now) is absolutely scathing about this new scheme
So you all have something in common with Nigel Farage ?
Then make it the same rule for everyone….
Vegansrock I think they will very shortly
Reuters are reporting that U.K. has decided not to vaccinate teenagers.
They will be used as the pool for herd immunity.
Andrew Marr programme this morning is reporting that if you are rang by Test and Trace you may be offered to test every day, scheme is applied to TFL, Border Force and many other critical services along with the Government.
It is not available if you are only pinged by the App.
Whitewavemark2
Reuters are reporting that U.K. has decided not to vaccinate teenagers.
They will be used as the pool for herd immunity.
JCVI are recommending only vulnerable teenagers are vaccinated.
They obviously have doubts regarding the risks involved with mass vaccination of under 18’s as opposed to the risks of them
catching Covid.
They are also a pool for potential new variants.
I think part of the truth is that we do not have sufficient appropriate vaccine.
The Astrazneca vaccine doesn’t appear to work with the Beta (South African) virus - only 10% effective. Hence double jabbed are at increased risk of getting Covid.
The Government’s messaging throughout this pandemic has been hopeless.
maddyone
growstuff, you’d know all about that wouldn’t you! Have a nice evening!
Why are you picking a fight? Is it simply because you can no longer find anything positive to say re the Tory party's handling of Covid? Whatever it is, it is unhelpful if all you want to do is disrupt a thread.
Jenrick busily spouting crap, trying to explain away Johnson’s special scheme.
maddyone
I will say this, conspiracy theories are absurd, whoever posts them.
Which conspiracy theories? Could you quote what you are objecting to, or do you want this to cease to be a discussion and become just those of us who want to learn and exchange views while you shout at us from the sidelines? Why not join in and discuss?
I think Boris is thinking we have to start somewhere. And I agree we have to live with this and just be careful as individuals.
I'm watching him Whitewave. He is putting up a good argument, but what we all know is that Johnson's has insisted that we "must learn to live with the virus". The poor scientists can only do all they can to mitigate the outcome of that.
Of course, we will have to learn to live with the virus. However, we don't have to do it using our children and grandchildren as guinea pigs. The British experiment runs the risk of producing new varients; other countries think we are insane.
We are still at this present time still under some restrictions yet numbers are going up. The vaccine is obviously working as hospital admissions and deaths are not keeping pace with the amount of infections
We have tried going round this virus without much success so unless we shut down the whole country again we just have to go through it Pandemics do not last forever no matter what intervention is in place
I just posted this on another thread. The quote is from Prof Woolhouse, who is a scientist. An actual, real epidemiologist. Probably doesn't fall in to the category of "poor scientists" as defined by you PippaZ.
Its widely accepted that the number of cases would increase, we've known this would happen when we unlocked for many months now..., So "dangerous, unethical experiment" seems a very inaccurate description of what's going on.
Its not an experiment but its an unprecedented situation because we've got a new pandemic here and the UK is in an interesting position because we have such a successful vaccine program.
Harris27
I think Boris is thinking we have to start somewhere. And I agree we have to live with this and just be careful as individuals.
I think we have to be careful as individuals too Harris27 but that is not what Johnson has laid out, is it?
I am thankful for this at least Boris Johnson cancelled plans for a Churchillian launch of Freedom Day after No 10 became alarmed by the surge in the number of infections, ...
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And I will up your “actual real epidemeologist” many, many more “actual real epidemiologists” who disagree with Professor Woolhouse, and do indeed see this experiment with herd immunity as dangerous and unethical,
Indeed. Both sides. Both opinions valid. Maybe you could provide some names and examples we can look at.
But we don't see much of Prof Woodhouse's view on here, do we? Not nearly scary enough.
B Johnson's libertarian policy of leaving public hygiene to individuals' consciences is an example of right -wing optimism about human nature.
True, there are many individuals who will continue to observe rules of hygiene, but the realist also knows that many if not most people need to be compelled to observe rules.
Caleo how much longer do we need to live under ‘rules’ the majority will use their common sense from Monday and those the don’t probably don’t give a toss about rules anyway
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