Andrew Marr - slight summer cold, turned out to be Covid

From today’s Sunday Times: of the 92,029 people who tested positive for the Delta variant in England, 7,235 had received both vaccine doses at least 2 weeks before, according to Public Health England. Of those, just 190 required at least an overnight in hospital and unfortunately 50 died.
So less than 10% had been fully vaccinated, which is in line with everything that has been said, but of those only about 2.5% ie one in 40 needed some form of inpatient hospital treatment. We don’t know whether any of them had other health issues.
Furthermore, it stated that no one under 50 has died of the Delta variant after receiving both doses.
I also read the interview before with Andrew Marr who did say that he had felt invincible (how silly given his health history) so was surprised to get COVID and feel so bad BUT was fully ok by the time his isolation period was up. In other words he was ill for some 10 days and then able to return to work, despite being in his 60s, still suffering some effects from his stroke and having Cancer less than 5 years ago.

Alegrias1

It's probably on another thread . I'm gardening and not really paying attention

Sorry!

Gardening is probably much better for you?

It's probably on another thread . I'm gardening and not really paying attention

Sorry!

Ps...where is Casdons link? I can’t even find her, let alone her link!

Alegrias1

Is nobody reading Casdon's link?

The South African variant has been in the UK since April.

I know everyone thinks I'm being pedantic, looking for fault. But in my view, having the right information is important in this pandemic. There's a thread going on about how the AZ vaccine is unpopular in Australia, and so people are refusing the vaccination because of unsubstantiated fears. So when people state something as gospel that just isn't true, it can have unforeseen outcomes.

Please, just check before making statements that are demonstrably wrong.

We’re just going by what was said in the documentary. Maybe it was a few weeks old before we saw it. We do tape everything.

Is nobody reading Casdon's link?

The South African variant has been in the UK since April.

I know everyone thinks I'm being pedantic, looking for fault. But in my view, having the right information is important in this pandemic. There's a thread going on about how the AZ vaccine is unpopular in Australia, and so people are refusing the vaccination because of unsubstantiated fears. So when people state something as gospel that just isn't true, it can have unforeseen outcomes.

Please, just check before making statements that are demonstrably wrong.

We watched a documentary about how each of the vaccines were made, and their various journeys into production. It was made clear all along, that none were 100% effective, but did say the AZ may not be as effective against the South African variant. Not in this country at the moment, but after the 19th, who knows?

I hope you and your husband feel better soon anda x

I suspect Andrew Marr might be classed as CEV too, I am sure this will have been mentioned. Maybe that's why he felt knocked about by it

Anda001

I've just had it confirmed that I have Covid. Double vaccinated and haven't been anywhere so god's knows how caught it. And as DH is cev he has been even more careful as he has to walk the dog.

Thankfully I think it's easing but the first three days I felt blooming dreadful.

You poor thing, sending get well vibes your way , you must be terribly worried about your DH, really hope that he remains well

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Get well soon Anda001

If you felt so unwell for three days having been vaccinated, just think how much worse you would have been if you were not vaccinated. Get well soon.

I've just had it confirmed that I have Covid. Double vaccinated and haven't been anywhere so god's knows how caught it. And as DH is cev he has been even more careful as he has to walk the dog.

Thankfully I think it's easing but the first three days I felt blooming dreadful.

Yorki

Alegrias... The people who've had the vaccine aren't dying are they ? I thought if you caught covid after having both vaccines , you were poorly but not dead . Have I missed something or is someone scare mongering. I noticed a post has being deleted , is that why .

Yorki the vaccine isn't 100% effective, no vaccine is, but this one is better than most. People do die after having two doses, but we don't know their medical history, or age, or if their death was do to covid or to something else, and they just happened to have covid at the same time.

People still die of the flu, and of other things that most of us shrug off. I think this is what people mean when they say we have to live with it.

The deleted post has been quoted numerous times in other posts, Yorkie, if you want to know what it says.

Deedaa....that's dreadful , how distressing . A family who live close by to me have had Covid and have come through it alright, accept for the mother, who developed it after having both vaccines , this has turned into long Covid and she now has to have a breathing tube 24/7. She was in fine form before developing Covid. How worrying it must be for her , to never know if she'll ever be free of her breathing apparatus. It proves this disease needs to be taken seriously. I hope the young people you mention, don't end up with life long breathing difficulties.

Alegrias... The people who've had the vaccine aren't dying are they ? I thought if you caught covid after having both vaccines , you were poorly but not dead . Have I missed something or is someone scare mongering. I noticed a post has being deleted , is that why .

Pippins6133... Yes I agree with you. It's a shame it happened that way. What a "muck up" . + I'm being polite+.

I think summer cold's are so much worse than winter colds, It feels like they last forever with no easing of symptoms .

It’s because Boris didn’t close the border to India in time. He wanted to fly to India to do a trade deal, so kept borders open when we could see on TV how dreadful things were in India. So, that’s why 95% of cases here are of the Indian/Delta variant. Imagine if he’d closed the border in time - only 5% of cases would be so much better to handle.

Something to bear in mind - we may have high numbers of cases at the moment but that is because, including the free lateral flow tests, we are testing 3 times as many people per day as we were a few months ago. I will guarantee other countries have far more cases than their figures would make you believe. Hardly any countries are doing as much testing as we are currently - we were slow off the mark with testing capacity last year but rapidly caught up and exceeded most other countries.

The main purpose of covid vaccination is to prevent hospitalisations and deaths - this does seem to be the case as the figures for both are far lower than we would expect if we had not vaccinated so many people. Very few people are dying of covid now - fortunately. Even if "freedom day" says we can stop wearing masks I will still continue on buses and in shops - my husband is extremely clinically vulnerable and I will not risk catching it and passing it to him, even though we are both double vaccinated. We are occasionally going out for drinks and food - mostly outside but inside if its quiet - but are still avoiding anywhere that is crowded. Frankly, at this stage in the proceedings, we really all need to make our own risk assessments and act accordingly.

??? Alegrias.

What we’re not told about the people who died is how old they were, and whether they had other comorbidities. These things matter. The very old make fewer antibodies and they last less time, well that’s what I’ve read anyway. I know younger people are going into hospital, or those vaccinated only once, but it seems most of the younger ones require less vigorous treatment and are going home sooner.

So, Olive's rabbit hole.

It comes from the fact that 50% of the 117 people who have died with the Delta variant were double vaccinated. So, surely it can't be working, can it?

Except if there was no vaccination, probably about 2,000 people would have died in the same period and so the vaccination has probably saved about 1,900 lives.

If ever there was a reason for making sure everyone does maths and science at school. We pedants would never have got that wrong.

I also think that vaccines should be compared to birth control - nothing is 100% effective. Even those that get pregnant - some have an easy pregnancy and birth and others don't.