For everyone who's bending the rules!

Hopefully in another week we will see hospital admissions going down, ditto the deaths.

People can contract the virus and remain infectious for 3 months, so will it ever go away from those who tested positive yet only quarantined for 2 weeks ?

The sooner we get the jab the better!

I go, as I have throughout the last year, to my nearest Sainsbury store every Monday morning, arriving soon after 9.00 am. They always have someone out front of the entrance counting how many people go in and ensuring everyone wears masks. Inside the entrance there is both hand gel and spray for the baskets. It has got less and less busy as the weeks have gone by. I assume that so many people are now getting on-line deliveries. I use my shopping list and the zapper - items direct into my own shopping bags. Usually have most aisles to myself. I really do not feel at any danger at all there.

The zappers are wiped down by staff before they are returned to front of store for future use. The smartshop tills are all divided by perspex screens and with plenty of room. Within less than an hour I am back at home able to put away my shopping (having first washed my hands).

If there is any specific danger in supermarkets (& I have not seen any such figures), then it is to the staff members who are there for so many hours at the time, not to shoppers.

For those who want to believe all sorts of conspiracy theories and lab made virus, perhaps they should reading the internet so much.

In my Opinion, the greater majority of the public are trying really hard to obey the ever-changing and conflicting rules. But do feel that we are being led by populist clowns.

Nobody can pin-point any one person who could be carrying the virus.

That is why it has been said that we have to assume everyone has got it.

I don’t think it is necessarily people breaking the rules that are responsible for the current rate of infections. There are an estimated one in three people who do not have any symptoms when they have the virus and so are unaware that they are infectious. These are the so-called ‘silent spreaders’ who cannot be eliminated until mass testing is introduced.

Kim19: I agree with you about Keir "Captain Hindsight" Starmer on the Andew Marr show - why on earth was he not wearing a mask, given all the bitching he has been doing about government policy re the virus? If Matt Hancock attended via Zoom then why did he not do the same?

Everyone is an expert AFTER the fact - ooh this/that/the other should have been done quicker/better/blah blah. Very few countries have handled the pandemic well - barring Austrialia and New Zealand (both with very small populations to deal with) all the others are Asian totalitarian/authoritarian states and have done well because their draconian policies have been meekly accepted by their people. The army on the streets in the UK would cause riots - which is precisely why the government have not done this. The army have been utilised in the best way by using their excellent logistical capabilities to assist with the vaccine rollout. We would not be in this mess if people had just followed the bloody rules instead of bending them to suit themselves. I don't blame the government - I blame the selfish t**ts who think they are somehow exempt!

EllanVannin Where did you hear that people who contract CoVid are infectious for three months? Are you sure it wasn't that the evidence that they have had the virus is still there after three months, or even that they still have antibodies for three months? I have never seen it suggested that contacts should self-isolate for as long as that.

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention say that "Available data indicate that persons with mild to moderate COVID-19 remain infectious no longer than 10 days after symptom onset. Persons with more severe to critical illness or severe immunocompromise likely remain infectious no longer than 20 days after symptom onset."
www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/duration-isolation.html

You’ve gone very quiet Hetty58?.

Don’t mean to be contentious , just tired of those that post and run .

Autumnrose If everyone was keeping their distance, wearing a mask whenever they are outside their own home, washing their hands, and avoiding crowds and parties, hugs and kisses, then the people you speak of who have the virus without any symptoms couldn't pass it on to anyone else. We all have to assume two things if we want to minimise the spread:-

1) That anyone we are in contact with could have it without symptoms, and give it to us.
2) That we may have it without symptoms, and give it to anyone we are in contact with.

If instead we assume either that because we feel fine, we don't have it, or that because we have some kind of magic force field around us, we won't catch it, then we are helping to maximise the spread.

Those who are not a part of the solution are a part of the problem.

Yes - you know who you are. There are so many NHS staff off sick right now - don't expect anything like a 'normal' level of service, should you need it:

I know, and one of them is my DN.

However, I have to travel 30 miles (and back) to an NHS hospital to pick up a prescription. No, they will not post it.
I'd like a walk so a friend suggested I could combine fetching the prescription with a climb up a nearby mountain.

Countryfile is on at the moment urging us to get out into the countryside .

I think we hve to consider the possibility that the new virus transmits through a vector other than just aerosol between indicviduals.

The illness has zoonotic origins. Mink in Denmark got it leading to a mass slaughter of 10s of 1000s of animals. It has been found in cats. Could it be through animals. could it remain infctious and in the air far longer than the original, could it be more transferable by touch.

Is our mental and blinkered belief that transmission is always other people not obeying the rules (not us of course we would never do such a thing), I mean me doing......., wouldn't cause transmission.

Isn't it time we considered what other ways this disease could now be being transmitted?

yes, it's faith that we need to keep us going...most people no longer go to church because they may not be Christians any longer. I can remember when Christianity was more important to British citizens. You could social distance in church, yet many people go to the massive box stores and grocery
stores, but God forbid should you set foot in a Church.

Baggs, do think lack of social distancing may play a part in the rise? Or is social distancing a waste of effort?.

I've believed in social distancing to avoid picking up infections all my adult life, mdoll. I just don't think it always works. It depends on the infection for one thing, on people's differing immune responses for another, and then we have to remember that we are social animals and social distancing among social animals is a weird concept. In short, it's imperfect and it's difficult to do consistently and effectively.

I'm sorry you had to give up your walk.

Baggs, people have as much right to exercise, as I have. It's actually good to see people out exercising, when they usually drive.
I'm not exactly fleet of foot and they only way to avoid them was to walk in the middle of the main road. Knocked down or catch Covid? I wonder.? ?

Anyway, I'm not allowed out again, so its all academic.

steph63

yes, it's faith that we need to keep us going...most people no longer go to church because they may not be Christians any longer. I can remember when Christianity was more important to British citizens. You could social distance in church, yet many people go to the massive box stores and grocery
stores, but God forbid should you set foot in a Church.

Why should people set foot in a church if they are not believers?

What is a box store?

I work in a supermarket and have worked constantly since March. Masked and sanitised, Customers are shocked when I tell them I am the biggest risk to them !! I have been in a restricted area with hundreds of people a day! I spend time with colleagues, who have also been exposed to the virus.
We try to keep ourselves safe but customers constantly ignore us, come to close, get angry when we ask them to move away and complain that we ask them to keep their distance. We are invisible to them. We feel sad and forgotten.

Steph63 saw an interview on TV the other day of a lady who said she didn’t need the vaccine as The Lord would protect her, maybe faith and a little belief in science would be good hand in hand.

Not by meNanaDH . I applaud you and make sure I thank my checkout person every time. ?

Their are a few lovely people who thank us and it does really make our day. Thank you all for considering all the people that service us all daily.
Writing to their branch or company means an increase in what is called customer services, which is still lower than complaints because people still love to complain? Because their favourite food is not available!

Kandinsky

Stop blaming the people. This government is 100% to blame for not closing our borders at the start. We were put in lockdown, whilst all & sundry from all over the world were allowed in. We’re the worst affected country in Europe - I wonder why?
Stop blaming Brenda from down the Road who waves to her friend whilst out shopping for food. Blame this government who have put the economy before lives.

You can’t keep borders closed forever.

What about the uk nationals who brought it back from skiing holidays?

It is the people not listening to govt advice that do most of the spreading

NanaDH you have my sympathy and my greatest respect. What you and you colleagues are enduring is herioc and I hope when all this is over you too will get the recognition you deserve. Supplying food to the population is a very important and vital job and I would like to give you my heartfelt appreciation ❤. Also let's not get hysterical and start pointing the finger at the poor pets, particularly cats. From what I've read from reliable vetinary sources we are more likely to pass covid onto our pets than they are to us. At the most extreme they could pass it on to us if we stroke them after they have been stroked with someone with covid and even then its quite unlikely. Get a grip everyone this will get better and we all need to play our part and take responsibility for ourselves and give love and to support to those around us that need it. Lets not get nasty and point judgemental fingers at each other. Flu and cold type viruses are at their height this time of year and this one is new and virulent we just need to keep our nerve and have faith it will get better.

Thank you Nannysprout and all those who are working despite all that is going on around us. Love to all. Keep safe.