The RNHS?

I can't see a reasonable question in the whole of your posting GL. Perhaps you would like to point it out.

How about sitting down with a nice cup of tea GGM3 and a biscuit or two and then counting to ten.
Always worth doing when a thread is not going the way you would like it to.
My view on the NHS and the sterling work going on is that we thank them personally when receiving treatment, I always do.

I asked a perfectly reasonable question, but I guess there isn't really an answer is there GGMk3? Your old technique of distort and twist on practically every response to your OP has pretty much prevented any useful discussion.
I'm out

Just a thought but how about stopping them?

Why do you need help in your constant attacks GL? You seem to be doing okay on your own.

Good grief, someone help me out here!

'morphed' undergo or cause to undergo a gradual process of transformation
How exactly is that derogatory?

So you think it's forgivable not to read the OP or the following posts and not to understand that not everyone sets out with their views set in stone GL. It's also obviously forgivable not to understand that some people grow their view by having that strange thing called a "conversation" and, of course, you see it as forgivable to misrepresent the progress of thinking things through by the use of derogatory terms such as "morphed" when nothing has "morphed"; nothing was ever set in stone and it's all just a bit of thinking.

I rarely feel the need to be kind to those who basically yell their off-topic opinions at me as if everyone must agree with them but do feel very kindly disposed to those who enjoy a discussion. Many of you set out to be rude and belligerent and often are. I have no idea why you would expect anyone to behave differently in return.

I think when the title of your thread is "The RNHS" most of us might be forgiven for thinking that you considered this a good idea. The last time I checked, membership of GN allows people to contribute to discussion on threads, so if it's okay with you, I'll continue to do that. You are, as you say. quite at liberty to persevere with your idea (which seems now to have morphed into "medals etc") but maybe with a little more kindness to posters who have a different viewpoint to your own?

Not sure about adding “Royal” to the NHS but after hearing every politician from BJ down referring to “our NHS” , when many use private healthcare and would happily sell it off to the highest bidder, I would think they should rename it ONHS.

It would be a reminder of this extraordinary time yet avoid upsetting the non royalists. It would also remind politicians that it is Our National Health Service i.e it belongs to the public not the politicians and in future they can keep their grubby paws off!

It isn't that I don't understand GrannyLaine. So many of you have declared that you recognise what the front line staff are doing.

I don't see where you get the idea I have enthusiasm for changing the title. This is where you are not "listening" or in this case reading what I have now written many times. It was Rishi Sunak miss-speaking that caught my thought about what we can do to recognise those you spoke about above. Again, I have said several times that this may not be the answer but I wonder about medals, etc. It wasn't something I had made my mind up about, but that I was sharing my thinking with others.

Please tell me GL where you get the authority from to tell me to accept - what I wonder? Someone else's omnipotence? And then you suggest I move on. I seem to remember we have free speech in this country and no one is forcing you to read what I write, are they? I think you have got the decision making backwards. If you are not interested why not have that conversation with yourself?

The bit you resolutely refuse to understand GGMK3 is that each and every one of us applaud and recognise the efforts that front line staff are making under nigh impossible conditions. It's what the NHS is just brilliant at and always has been. Your enthusiasm for changing the title of the NHS as some kind of reward simply isn't shared. Perhaps time to accept and move on? And before accusing others of personal nastiness , maybe consider the tone of some of your own responses?

Trisher you must know I would and do back that fight all the way. However, that was not what I was talking about and is a long way from the recognition I was suggesting we give those on the nearest thing to a front line we are likely to see in our lifetimes, just as most states would and probably will when this is over.

It is just mixing one discussion up with another and giving the puerile reason to try and close down a thread because it isn't saying what they want it to say. The two points are quite separate as is the fact that some do not like the royal family. Neither have any bearing on what I suggested.

Opinion is overwhelmingly against the op's suggestion. Instead being so defensive and telling everyone else why they are wrong I suggest you now back off and stop digging!

In what way am I digging mcem? I feel we should find some way of recognising the individuals who have literally laid their lives on the line while the country got things up and running and will no doubt do so for some time to come. You, it appears, do not agree.

Since when has this meant you or anyone else should tell others to stop putting their point forward? All you and some others seem to be able to do is to resort to personal nastiness with you telling me to back off and Kalu suggesting I "go the extra mile". It's all getting a bit infantile and certainly shows no care for those who care.

I've been fighting for proper funding for the NHS for a long time now and have been variously subjected to many dismissive comments on GN because I am a "leftie". There is no doubt that this government has steadily eroded the NHS and massively underfunded it. I don't see why that should change. And when this is all over the NHS is going to need a massive investment to even enable it to continue. There will be huge lengthy waiting lists, there will be a shortage of staff and the ever present private companies will still be hovering. Sort out all that and then propose the Royal if you must but even thinking of it while the service is in such a state is ridiculous.

As I have said quite frequently now Parsley RNHS was only one suggestion. I would have thought that most people would agree the NHS needs a complete overhaul, that we pay people properly and that we equip them properly. However, could you tell me why that would stop us recognising those who have been on the frontline of this exceptional phase in our countries history as well?

The repetition of the idea that we cannot do both when the first should be something we fight for now and in the future is getting a little tedious now.

Er.. the NHS has not been properly staffed or equipped has it? A suitable reward would be to properly invest in it. Ask the NHS staff what they would like in recognition of their extra mile and they probably won’t opt for RNHS.

Hear, hear mcem

To add insults and a guilt trip to all of us with worries, attempting to care for our physical and mental health I am hoping you will go further than an extra mile!

But that is what we should expect for all workers anyway Parsley3. It does not say you were there and went the extra mile.

Opinion is overwhelmingly against the op's suggestion.
Instead being so defensive and telling everyone else why they are wrong I suggest you now back off and stop digging!

What Trisher said. Proper investment and burseries. Proper staffing and well equipped hospitals. That’s the way to show appreciation.

I don't agree trisher. Of course, I believe the NHS should be properly structured, properly paid with reasonable hours of work but that should apply to everyone. To me, that goes without saying and needs to be fought for politically.

You really don't know what anyone will want any more than I do. I doubt those whose antecedents passed down the Pip, Squeak and Wilfred medals from WW1 think of them as meaningless.

rather missing there

GracesGranMK3 the best thing that can be done to honour NHS staff when this is all over is to pay them properly, to invest properly in the equipment they need, to reinstate nursing bursaries and to make sure that all privatisation is stopped. I'm sure they would all see these things properly established than have any pseudo recognition or meaningless honour from anyone.

This was really not meant to be about the royal family and I can't see why you can't get past that. Our head of state is the Queen and until that changes, I think you will find things will go on much as they always have done. Bringing in what they do or don't do is just a "straw man" or "fallacious" argument. If you want to discuss the Queen's family, etc., then why not start a separate thread instead of beating this one up?

This was about how we might recognise those who have gone above and beyond what is normally expected of them after a time which is incomparable with anything except war-time.

I could understand if you were to say it's too soon to think about this; it probably is but state recognition is state recognition and we currently run the state in the way that we do.

Just to add a few facts rather than fictions. Wootton Basset was made Royal Wootton Bassett after the delivery of Letters Patent on behalf of the Queen. Old fashioned or a continuation of our history? I am sure that many will have a different point of view but that is really not the point. This is how we do things.

This was done on a "petition" from the PM, i.e., it was decided by the state. The Queen said it was "an enduring symbol of the nation's admiration and gratitude". The Queen will say what is agreed by parliament. It is nothing to do with the royal family, their wealth, the way they dress or whether they use the NHS. It is simply the way we run our state, who is the head of state, and whether our government decides they want to recognise people, groups, etc. after all this is over.

I looked up what a patron was before commenting and I don't find any of the definitions applies to the RF and their relationship to the National Health Service. They have never funded, financial supported or used any of its services, so no I don't think it should be the RNHS. Perhaps if they surrendered some of their wealth to buy essential equipment, or actually used NHS services I might feel differently, but whilst they subscribe to private health care they can stay away from our health service,