Goodbye Duke & Duchess of York.

I'm genuinely surprised at some of this, but few people will disagree with it. Some act of humility (humiliation?) was appropriate, and it's probably better that Charles does it than leaving it to William.

Mind you, it creates a precedent for William to do the same to Harry when his time comes.

FriedGreenTomatoes2

I'm genuinely surprised at some of this, but few people will disagree with it. Some act of humility (humiliation?) was appropriate, and it's probably better that Charles does it than leaving it to William.

Mind you, it creates a precedent for William to do the same to Harry when his time comes.

I don’t think Harry has ever behaved in quite the shocking way that his Uncle has.

What difference will it make? Will he still be able to dress up in the pantomime outfits?>

Harry betrays.

Has Andrew been found guilty of anything?
Not saying he isnt guilty. But has he?

vegansrock

What difference will it make? Will he still be able to dress up in the pantomime outfits?>

The, It's a knock out, was something else!
Though I am guessing you are talking about the Garter thing.

fancythat

vegansrock

What difference will it make? Will he still be able to dress up in the pantomime outfits?>

The, It's a knock out, was something else!
Though I am guessing you are talking about the Garter thing.

No, he is no longer a Knight of the Garter.

Well Andrew (or his mother) paid out 12 million dollars (or pounds, I can’t remember). If not guilty, why would he have stumped up? Also, now Prince Andrew has been stripped of his titles and other roles - how can Peter Mandleson be allowed to sit in the House of Lords? 🤷‍♀️

It would seem that the sordid actions of Jeffrey Epstein are proving even more damaging in death than in life.

Every action has a consequence, eventually. And if a dead man can reach out of the grave to destroy a prince........then maybe a US President isn't safe?

FriedGreenTomatoes2

Well Andrew (or his mother) paid out 12 million dollars (or pounds, I can’t remember). If not guilty, why would he have stumped up? Also, now Prince Andrew has been stripped of his titles and other roles - how can Peter Mandleson be allowed to sit in the House of Lords? 🤷‍♀️

Because it’s not suggested that Peter Mandelson actually had illegal sex with under age girls presumably? Not excusing complicity, but it is not the same thing.

Does anyone else think this is the start of the decline, slow I admit, of the Royal family.
They are nowhere near as popular as they were in my parents time.
We now, from press and television see them as mere mortals not glorified beings.
They have their faults as we all do.
This week people living near the new home of the Wales family are very upset as their access to parts of Windsor park has been closed off for their privacy.
Two families living near have lost their homes although they have been rehoused.
We see privilege being exploited.
It this the beginning of the end?
Royalists will be appalled at my post but are the numbers of detractors growing.
Are young people as loyal as an older generation, I think not.

Fair comment Casdon.
Mandleson is gay. I’d forgotten.

Does anyone else think this is the start of the decline, slow I admit, of the Royal family.

No.
Not even in the Uk.
[This Andrew stuff has been talked about for decades.]

I cant say I have seen it written about unpopular they have become recently in other Countries either.

The people did once try to get rid of the monarchy.

That didn't work out so well.🤨

At the time of the revelations about Andrew and Virginia Giuffre, it was suggested that the settlement was made because of the Queen's Jubilee. Had the case come to court, or not settled so quickly, it would have cast a damaging shadow over her special year.

Usedtobeblonde

Does anyone else think this is the start of the decline, slow I admit, of the Royal family.
They are nowhere near as popular as they were in my parents time.
We now, from press and television see them as mere mortals not glorified beings.
They have their faults as we all do.
This week people living near the new home of the Wales family are very upset as their access to parts of Windsor park has been closed off for their privacy.
Two families living near have lost their homes although they have been rehoused.
We see privilege being exploited.
It this the beginning of the end?
Royalists will be appalled at my post but are the numbers of detractors growing.
Are young people as loyal as an older generation, I think not.

I hope not UTBB because I would fear the alternative which could be worse.

"And always keep ahold of Nurse, for fear of finding something worse"

ferry23

The people did once try to get rid of the monarchy.

That didn't work out so well.🤨

It didn't did it!!

I don’t think it is necessary to try to get rid of the monarchy, I think they will do it for us slowly.
Disinterest will prevail as time passes.
Younger people don’t have the same feeling as an older generation
The royal family will become an irrelevance.
Not in my lifetime and probably not in the lifetime of my C but it will happen.

Indifference would probably mean the status quo would continue.

A surge in republicanism requires a degree of interest.

I don’t see the monarchy will go, if you look at the opinion polls there is no evidence that they will. William and Kate in particular are very popular. I think that the young have always been less supportive of the monarchy than older people, but they grow to support them more as they age themselves.

Some act of humility (humiliation?) was appropriate, and it's probably better that Charles does it than leaving it to William

I suspect William has had a hand in this. He has to look to the future and I think he’s more in touch with public feeling. The king will be torn between duty and probably the remnants of loyalty to his brother.
Poor Charles. As if he doesn’t have enough to deal with.

usedtobeblonde - the two families who lived "nearby" and have "lost their homes" were actually renting the stables which were converted a while ago. They seem to have moved into other estate houses over the summer so they haven't suddenly been thrown out.

As someone who has lived in estate properties in the past though, you are inevitably going to be surprised if they want them back (for whatever reason) as it so rarely happens...

They tend to be very secure tenancies as estates do like to try to keep the whole inheritance intact. I think it usually happens because of death duties and the need to raise money by selling something it seems to me.

fancythat

Harry betrays.

Has Andrew been found guilty of anything?
Not saying he isnt guilty. But has he?

Has this suddenly happened because Guiffre’s posthumous book is about to be published?

My understanding was that as of tonight he was keeping the titles just not using them publicly? Though the headlines certainly say the opposite.

With His Majesty’s agreement, we feel I must now go a step further. I will therefore no longer use my title or the honours which have been conferred upon me.

I think the £12 million(?) was paid to put an end to the endless' investigations in the same way as the royal family suddenly 'remembered' that the odious ex-butler Paul Burrell had been 'allowed to keep souvenirs' of the late Diana, rather than helping himself to her possessions after she died.
Neither ploy worked.
In the same way Guiffre was paid off for her testimony against Epstein, to avoid prosecution for recruiting under-age girls herself. Allegedly, obviously.
But she couldn't leave it alone either.

Where the rub is here is that Prince Andrew, Sarah, Beatrice and Eugenie have an extravagant life style to fund. No longer having easy access to the Royal Purse, where do these entitled people go for their funding? I expect the 2 sisters will each bring out a book of life with Mum and Dad. It will of course not have any gory details but will lead to Oprah/Netflix type deals, they have after all remained friends with Harry & Meghan. Their parents I expect are being funded by Charles to lie low.