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FriedGreenTomatoes2 Sun 24-Nov-24 07:49:07

Russia is prepared to launch a wave of cyber attacks on Britain that could “turn out the lights for millions”, a Cabinet minister will warn at a Nato conference on Monday.

Vladimir Putin is willing and capable of triggering a “destabilising and debilitating” electronic strike on the UK, Pat McFadden will say.

Russia is “exceptionally aggressive and reckless in the cyber realm” and wants to gain a “strategic advantage and degrade the states that support Ukraine”, Mr McFadden, who oversees policy on national security and state threats, will warn.

The Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster will say there is an imminent risk of a Russian cyber attack on British infrastructure and businesses that could “shut down the power grids” and deal a hammer blow to the economy.

ronib Sun 24-Nov-24 11:22:43

I think there’s a complete misrepresentation of Putin’s position on Ukraine and it will take wiser heads than mine to explain why.

FriedGreenTomatoes2 Sun 24-Nov-24 11:23:39

Tiley 💐 just like Himself 🤞 for the magic of treatment for you too.

long before Mr Putin went rogue loads of us questioned the sensibility of putting everything on the internet. If the internet goes bang so does everything else. We rely on Politicians to keep us safe but putting everything online does the opposite.

FriedGreenTomatoes2 Sun 24-Nov-24 11:24:47

Whitewavemark2

I can remember a petition topping over 3million that objected to the way Brexit was going - but they were told to shut up and ignored.

Reason?

Democracy apparently. Who’d have thought?

Yep. I’m with you WWmk2 absolutely.
I’m just showing an interest in the figures here. 😁

Greyduster Sun 24-Nov-24 11:33:41

I wish we could get past this “NATO poking the Russian Bear” thing. Be assured, any poking that has been done has been coming from the other side for years - and they’re still chancing their arm with incursions around our shores and in the air. Thank the Lord that NATO has been consistent in a cool handed approach to all this.

ronib Sun 24-Nov-24 11:36:20

Greyduster no. Any consistency has come from Russia. NATO is not upto the task at all.

ronib Sun 24-Nov-24 11:43:16

I am more scared of McFadden - what is he on? Russia is not going to turn off our electricity - Ed Zero is the one to blame.

Maremia Sun 24-Nov-24 11:49:58

Ronib, all of this 'poking the bear' nonsense is simply 'victim blaming'. Putin is the aggressor.

ronib Sun 24-Nov-24 12:05:08

Maremia NATO created the conditions which have resulted in a possible World War 3. NATO consistently threatened Russia. It took Putin a long time to act in this situation. NATO needs to reconsider its position.

Greyduster Sun 24-Nov-24 12:15:13

OFGS!!🤦‍♀️

petra Sun 24-Nov-24 12:16:35

Fleurpepper

When I mentionned a few days ago that the UK is in a very vulnerable position- no-one believed me. If Putin wants to 'make' and example in Europe- he will pick a country which is more isolated from the rest- geographically and politically.

Nothing has changed since your dire warnings. The doom mongers have now found something else to worry about.

petra Sun 24-Nov-24 12:17:41

ronib

I think there’s a complete misrepresentation of Putin’s position on Ukraine and it will take wiser heads than mine to explain why.

No shit Sherlock 🤦🏼‍♀️

Wyllow3 Sun 24-Nov-24 12:25:22

Greyduster

OFGS!!🤦‍♀️

👏👏👏

ronib Sun 24-Nov-24 12:27:13

Oh well I tried to broaden opinions so back to my knitting ….

M0nica Sun 24-Nov-24 12:36:29

ronib

Oh well I tried to broaden opinions so back to my knitting ….

That would be a very good idea, much more productive.

Fleurpepper Sun 24-Nov-24 13:12:02

Whitewavemark2

I can remember a petition topping over 3million that objected to the way Brexit was going - but they were told to shut up and ignored.

Reason?

Democracy apparently. Who’d have thought?

And now it is over 70%, with demographics having changed, and a large proportion who voted for, now regretting it. But yes, still told to 'get over it'.

Fleurpepper Sun 24-Nov-24 13:13:04

petra

Fleurpepper

When I mentionned a few days ago that the UK is in a very vulnerable position- no-one believed me. If Putin wants to 'make' and example in Europe- he will pick a country which is more isolated from the rest- geographically and politically.

Nothing has changed since your dire warnings. The doom mongers have now found something else to worry about.

Are you sure?

Oopsadaisy1 Sun 24-Nov-24 13:20:17

Witzend

Everything about Putin scares me. Evil man.

Exactly, evil man.

I’m surprised no one has taken him out

David49 Sun 24-Nov-24 13:24:08

It doesn’t matter if it’s 5 or 10 million sign we have a Labour PM for the next 4 yrs maybe Starmer maybe not.

We made our beds, now we have to lie in them, if the report about 135 bn benefits cuts are true it’s going to be very uncomfortable, or even half that. It makes WFA look like a picnic in the park.

M0nica Sun 24-Nov-24 13:37:14

Fleurpepper

petra

Fleurpepper

When I mentionned a few days ago that the UK is in a very vulnerable position- no-one believed me. If Putin wants to 'make' and example in Europe- he will pick a country which is more isolated from the rest- geographically and politically.

Nothing has changed since your dire warnings. The doom mongers have now found something else to worry about.

Are you sure?

The big danger is cyber attacks. and damage to infrastructire, like the recent cuts to oil line and communication cables.

Putin does a lot of sabre rattling, but he knows that if he fires a nuclear weapon. Russia will be blown out of the water.

Russia, remember, now has NATO countries lining its borders from Finland right round to the Black Sea and its 4.500 kilometre Paciific coast is not far from the coast of Canada, also a NATO member. and the US. Alaska almost touches Russia.

If he fires anything nuclear, he will face retaliation from almost every country Russia borders. If he does go nuclear, it will be through an ally, like North Korea, not direct from Russia.

Oreo Sun 24-Nov-24 18:44:35

Greyduster

I wish we could get past this “NATO poking the Russian Bear” thing. Be assured, any poking that has been done has been coming from the other side for years - and they’re still chancing their arm with incursions around our shores and in the air. Thank the Lord that NATO has been consistent in a cool handed approach to all this.

👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

Oreo Sun 24-Nov-24 18:45:38

M0nica

ronib

Oh well I tried to broaden opinions so back to my knitting ….

That would be a very good idea, much more productive.

😂
A nice jumper for Christmas perhaps.

Oreo Sun 24-Nov-24 18:46:44

Maremia

Ronib, all of this 'poking the bear' nonsense is simply 'victim blaming'. Putin is the aggressor.

Of course he is, anyone who thinks differently is deluded.

ronib Sun 24-Nov-24 18:50:08

Oreo a jumper dress for my adorable granddaughter who is 2 !! What mess are we leaving for young families?

ronib Sun 24-Nov-24 18:52:37

Oreo pointless discussion. Putin has failed to stop the encroachment of NATO onto its borders. What is so difficult to understand about this?

Iam64 Sun 24-Nov-24 18:57:26

ronib

Maremia NATO created the conditions which have resulted in a possible World War 3. NATO consistently threatened Russia. It took Putin a long time to act in this situation. NATO needs to reconsider its position.

I suggest you apply to join Socialist Worker or whatever the current Militant groups call themselves. The ‘extreme left ‘ has always supported Putin against Ukraine.

If the rest of Europe appeases the bully boy what’s next? Poland ?