Believing in Biological Sex - a Sacking Offence

Word salad. Of course I know who is responsible for the majority of sex crimes, its something we need to work on as a society, its against how I have raised my own sons who have healthy attitudes towards consent and appropriate behaviour. How is that the fault of trans people?

Men is the word. You cant even bring yourself to say it. 97 % of violent sexual crime is committed by men. It's one of the reasons we segregate by sex. When you cant even say that sentence you need to wonder what is happening to you.

Told by whom? Again trans people who are happy and comfortable are not responsible for anyone who has somehow made a wrong choice.

Because they were told that presenting in a certain way meant they were men, they were told that changing to a man would make them happy. They realised that in fact how you look, what your interests are, are nothing to do with what sex you are. They are talking about the damage transitioning has done to their bodies. Their stories are very difficult to hear.

At the end of the day, anyone who is campaigning for some people to be excluded rather than looking for ways to include everyone in a safe and comfortable way is just interested in causing problems rather than looking for solutions.

Yennifer, and Arseholes mostly as I would define any abusive person no matter who they are.

Sorry violent sexual crime that should say.

No more patronising than someone who demands answers, hasn't any herself, but projects a lot of hate and criticism at people. If you are supporting lesbians I think that is great. I am struggling to understand why a lesbian would need to detransition? Are you perhaps confusing two things? I'm very sorry for people who are lied to or who suffer in any way, but it doesn't help them to condemn or castigate others. Feminism is about inclusivity and tolerance and not about dividing and seeking to blame one section of people. You are perfectly entitled to your brand of feminism but don't imagine that we will all adopt your prejudices.It smacks too much of patriachy for me.

My phone is determined to change yennifer into Jennifer.

Which sex commits 97 % of violent crime Jennifer?
How do you define those 97 %.

There is no definition of a woman. We are all very very different. If you are defining women by their sexual organs, well that's what we have been fighting for men not to do. Now we want to do it to each other?

Terrible phone fingers

Trisher do you understand how patronising you sound. Words fail me. I have been involved in this discussion for years as have numerous other women. And it is always the same no one is ever able to say what a woman is if it is not based on biology. Ever. Not once. You are not the only person to know young people trisher, for example many of us are supporting the young lesbians who are currently describing the trauma they went through with regard to detransitioning. They are raising concerns that transitioning is being offered to young women who have experienced abuse or are unhappy with their bodies, etc. They are very clear that they were lied go about changing sex. Or do only do only some young peoples views count.

Galaxy you say when I ask how on earth am I to know whether someone is a woman of not.
And then you start demanding answers from others about penises (should that be penii?) Is this fair?
The discussion about women's rights has been going on since the 70s (Spare Rib anyone?) and things have moved on, but I realise there are some who are new to the subject. Just as there are some who are obsessed with gender and trans issues while other aspects of patriachy escape their notice. Personally I am informed and encouraged by my younger friends some of whom embrace the concept of binary, some of whom are fightng for equal treatment for menstruation and menopause, some of whom are active in other areas. All of whom denounce intolerance and prejudice as echoes of patriachy which feminists should have no part in no matter who is promoting it.

People can and do choose their own gender or choose not to have one at all and that is absolutely fine by me. People are transitioning or fully transitioned from both directions. Not going to ask them where they started, I will deal with how they identify now. There are trans people already living in their chosen gender and have been for quite some time. It's a discussion now why? Because men have taken advantage of that to hurt women? Why blame trans people for that?

These sorts of discussions are important but difficult because obviously there will be transphobes and bigots against trans people entering "female" spaces too. To my mind, trans people are individuals and should be treated as such, just as I would like to be. My gender doesn't define me. Just give people separate secure cubicles everywhere so everyone can be safe and comfortable.

The reason I carry on with this is there a lot of people who are new to this subject. They will be silently reading and taking it all in. They will see that it is now considered a silly question to ask whether a woman can have a penis. And so we carry on, as every time someone reads this and thinks hang on, then we are a step closer to real discussion of womens rights.

Galaxy It depends on whether the person concerned was born with it or acquired it later. You cannot change your biological gender, mental gender is something else.

You already know my thoughts on the subject, you aren't entitled to have silly questions answered

No answer as ever. Always the same. I asked you a question - its not high and mighty to ask people who are prepared to remove womens spaces whether women can have a penis.

Oh you are one of those who like to turn things round on people in a high and mighty way Galaxy. Interesting personality trait x

That's very transphobic of you Yennifer, are you saying people with a penis arent women,?

Well what would you do Farnorth? Ask every new woman you meet if they are smuggling a penis? lol

I tend to go by appearances and believe what I'm told

What an innocent soul you must be, trisher.

Pettunia I share your concerns about pressure on children.

UntilI was in my early teens I wanted to be a boy, I was, anyway a tomboy out playing rough tough runing and other games with the boys. If anyone had asked me or offered me the opportunity to be a boy, I would have jumped at it.

With puberty I settled quite happily into being a girl. Still active and still with a male prefernces, I studied economics at university, still a mainly male discipline, and spent most of my working life working for engineering companies. usually the only woman above clerical level - and felt comfortable in a mainly male environment.

But I am so glad I was never offered the opportunity to be male. I just adjusted to what I was masculine in mind and female in body. and I am sure I have had a happier life because of it.

I agree with Joelsnan. we should be finding ways to be more inclusive of people being different in so many ways and not slotting into easy boxes.

But i am feeling very resistant to being told to change a word for the sake of a few people's feelings....
I am still feeling it is a huge over reaction to sack someone for using a word in a personal tweet.
She didn't put out her thoughts until she was taken to court.
scary stuff