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Lilypops Sat 16-Nov-19 22:42:02

Having just watched the interview with Emily Maitlis, I just cannot make my mind up about him , I find it strange that he could not recollect having that photo taken with the girl with his arm around him , I thought he was very cautious with his answers, What do you all think ?

Anniebach Thu 21-Nov-19 20:39:28

There will be a lot of pressure on William and Kate unless Harry and Megan get their act together .

Hopefully Charles will have a fairly long reign and Ann, Edward and Sophie will be supportive as they are now , Charles will need them.

oldgimmer1 Thu 21-Nov-19 20:49:49

@coolio yours is the voice of reason.

Whatever Andrew may or may not have done, he deserves due process.

So in a proper court, with a judge and jury.

At the moment, there's no case to answer.

Being stupid, arrogant, entitled and lacking in awareness is not a crime.

Iam64 Thu 21-Nov-19 20:49:56

The issue of PA and his behaviour has nothing to do with being a Royalist or not.
Your contributions to this thread confirm a total lack of understanding of grooming or sexual exploitation Cool.

merlotgran Thu 21-Nov-19 20:50:08

I don't think Charles has been keen for Andrew to be involved in very much for years. They're not close.

Edward knows he will become Duke of Edinburgh when Philip dies so he and Sophie have a role of their own carved out. I think/hope they will be a success. Have we ever had a Duchess of Edinburgh other than the Queen?

William and Kate will be fine. Harry on the other hand?

oldgimmer1 Thu 21-Nov-19 21:02:39

The girl in question was 17.

We have no idea-yet- of what may or may not have gone on vis-a-vis Andrew and "trafficked" girls.

Epstein died before he could be tried.

He'd served his punishment for his previous crime.

Calendargirl Thu 21-Nov-19 22:58:20

I imagine this is the ideal opportunity for Charles to get his streamlined monarchy of the future up and running. Although he would not want all the current carnage, it means Andrew and family are effectively out of the picture for good.
Andrew turning 60 next year, early retirement, sorted.

pinkquartz Thu 21-Nov-19 23:00:41

It is quite something to see people here still defending PA....

He is a really toxic man.

I can only conclude that these are people who cannot see that the way he looks, his body language and his facial expressions tell of who he is and it isn't pleasant.

He had a chance to put his side to people on the BBC and what he achieved was to convince people that he had been lying his head off.
He is dammed by his own self.

Anyway the sooner we get shot of him the better and then the cull can keep going. Though not because others are as bad but just time for cutbacks to the RF.

Some of us have been living with cutbacks for a while and no it's not nice.
But it needs to happen
anyone who votes Tory loves cutbacks.......Austerity and the loss of Libraries., Social Care etc

Tear down the establishment and take care of the planet instead.

suziewoozie Thu 21-Nov-19 23:11:51

Cool he did not in any meaningful sense serve his time for his previous crime. Haven’t you read that firstly it was plea bargained away with the crimes disgracefully downgraded.? We can be certain that that happened because of his powerful friends and because of who he would otherwise have named. Secondly have you not read how her ‘served his sentence’? Went out to the office everyday, slept in his own bed in the local police station at night - probably had his own chef in to to cook his meals and then no doubt G.M sent over one of the girls for dessert( the last two points may not but may as well be).

suziewoozie Thu 21-Nov-19 23:13:24

Sorry that was to old

Alexa Thu 21-Nov-19 23:40:26

Equally, I think girls and boys are now worse regarding celebrity and it’s get rich quick culture.

That is the fault of the society that socialised girls to be silly in that particular way. The more an adult has power of any sort including celebrity the more they ought to bear responsibility.

Eloethan Fri 22-Nov-19 00:17:21

oldgimmer1 What do you mean, "he deserves due process"? My understanding is, due process can't occur if he hasn't made himself available to be interviewed by the investigating authorities in the US. As he regularly saw Epstein and stayed in his residences, and he has been named by one of the women, the authorities obviously need to question him and they can't proceed unless he goes to the US. Why has he been so reluctant to do that if he has a clear conscience and surely, as a member of the royal family, his whereabouts are monitored and recorded for security purposes? Emily Maitlis was, I think, a good interviewer but agreeing to an interview in this country by a TV presenter and at a place of his choosing is not quite the same as submitting oneself to police questioning in another country. The reputational damage has been enormous but if he refused to be questioned by the proper authorities presumably that would be the end of the matter so far as he was concerned.

Nobody has stopped him from going to the US to assist with inquiries. He was reported to have told friends, when this all blew up again, how upset he was because he feared he would never again be able to enter the country. So it seems at that point he was willing to completely forego visiting the US - apparently one of his favourite places - so as to avoid being interviewed.

Apparently he is now saying he will assist with the investigation. Does that mean he will go to the US and, if so, was some private agreement made to reassure him that, if he co-operates, he will be left alone? That's a very common scenario over there but hopefully the case has drawn too much international attention for that to happen. Very high profile people such as Trump and Clinton are also reported to have had close ties with Epstein and to have availed themselves of his private jet on numerous occasions. No doubt great efforts will be made by some very powerful people to shut the whole thing down.

Beckett Fri 22-Nov-19 08:04:24

No matter what PA has or hasn't done - surely he still needs to be interviewed by the US police if only as a witness to what he saw while staying with Epstein.

I believe he knows more than he has stated in that interview. If, as he says, he only visited Epstein to tell him face to face he would no longer be his friend, why did it entail his staying with him for 4 days - could that not be done in a short half hour visit? He must have seen very young girls visiting the house, they were not being smuggled in during the dead of night, did that not raise any suspicions?

Urmstongran Fri 22-Nov-19 08:32:10

Beggars belief that he had planned to jaunt off to Bahrain this weekend for business pretty much as usual until it got pulled by the Firm.

This stupid, vain man has no self awareness does he?

No wonder he’s unpopular!

suziewoozie Fri 22-Nov-19 08:36:43

I imagine him going round one of his many residences whingeing, sulking, kicking the cat, shouting at the staff and saying ‘It’s not fair Mummy’

Anniebach Fri 22-Nov-19 08:38:25

Why don’t the US police come here to interview him ?

suziewoozie Fri 22-Nov-19 08:56:46

They may well do that annie - police from here went over to interview the American woman. I think that would be a perfectly acceptable solution in the circumstances

Urmstongran Fri 22-Nov-19 09:00:23

Christmas dinner at Sandringham will be interesting this year, for all the wrong reasons.

Anniebach Fri 22-Nov-19 09:04:24

It will be as usual with the exception of Harry and Megan not
joining the family.

suziewoozie Fri 22-Nov-19 09:05:23

Maybe a few other members will do a Meghan ( if they've any sense).

suziewoozie Fri 22-Nov-19 09:06:01

Sorry I meant MegHan of course

Sparklefizz Fri 22-Nov-19 09:53:11

^ police from here went over to interview the American woman. I think that would be a perfectly acceptable solution in the circumstances^

Maybe we could swap him for the American woman?? grin grin

suziewoozie Fri 22-Nov-19 09:55:42

?????

Callistemon Fri 22-Nov-19 10:03:49

suziewoozie
Until I read your post Thurs 21st 23:11:51 I had no idea that that was how Epstein had served his sentence. I knew that only one of the charges was proceeded with although I believe there was enough evidence to proceed with charges of trafficking many more girls as young as 13 or 14 years.

That is incredible - how many other paedophiles are treated with such leniency in the USA?

Urmstongran Fri 22-Nov-19 10:13:40

Love a cartoon I’ve just seen ...

‘Uber here. Your driver today is Andrew and he’s outside in a Bentley’

?

oldgimmer1 Fri 22-Nov-19 11:07:10

FFS.

@suzie whether or not Epstein's sentence was "meaningful" or not is down to the prosecuting state. It does not matter a jot what any of us think. It is what it is. If he's able to plea bargain then he's going to do it. That's the system.