Has Brexit ruined Gransnet?

To be fair, day 6 said that most vile abuse came from remainers, I don't know if she just meant on here or in the wider world, but its certainly not true in general, where the most extreme forms of unpleasantness/ violence comes from the far right, who use support for Brexit as a cover for their horrible message. This has an appeal to a certain section of white supremacists. I don't think it should be swept under the carpet.

Breeze, who are you indeed to decide?

Very strong allegations were made, and they should be backed up, or withdrawn.

'If the pen is mightier than the sword, Remainers have been using theirs to write the vilest hate mail, for the last three years, incessantly.

Shame on you.'

There have been strong disagreements, but none of the above- unless by pm- in which case we need evidence. GNetter can't throw around such accusations without evidence.

When this was first discussed on GN (the topic in question) I most certainly read the most vile posts where people were telling others to f..k off.

I was shocked. I think GN has clamped down now on swearing and insults but I have read it and it did happen.

And as far as I am aware, this site and this country has freedom of speech.

I did not find any of Day6 offensive or inciting hatred. She said she thinks 'some' people on both sides have been out of order with some comments and if she doesn't want to continue with her argument who do any of you think you are to force her to withdraw her posts.

You are not talking to a 5 year old child who hasn't handed in their homework. Grow up.

Actually GN is one of the few places online or in real life where I DONT see people creating little echo chambers for themselves where they only discuss issues with people that agree with them...

....if anywhere can survive brexit, its GN. We should do community outreach about how to converse with people outside of your echo chamber bubble without being "triggered" and going on a block/delete/remove/ghost rampage/tantrum..

no breeze

... it isn't OK to make unsubstantiated claims about an act that actually can be a criminal offence.

If it's an opinion then she should say so.

We even have Laws about Libel and Defamation. You can't just say "so what".

If Remainers (I am one) have been sending hate mail and making threats of violence, then they need to be weeded out - just like with Leavers.

I think the ones in charge of it ,need to listen to us.
Mick

Day6

I have seen insulting, condescending, patronising and arrogant remarks all over the 'net from Remainers commenting on Leavers.

But hate mail? Threats? I think you need to back that up because it can be a criminal offence to post such stuff.

Oh stop it jura2 she's probably got a life and doing something at the weekend. Or can't be bothered to trawl through for examples and cut and paste them because you demand it of her.

And if she doesn't want to offer proof, so what.

Who put you in charge. She gave her opinion. Since when do you have to withdraw posts because you don't want to provide solid evidence.

And what if people do make a mistake. Does that mean they are wrong in everything they do.

Don't jump on people and criticise unless you are PERFECT and never make any mistakes, ever.

No. I don't think Brexit has ruined GN Teetime you little tinker

I said my bit in the beginning and refuse to go back over and over again.

When it happens, the sky won't fall in.

Still patiently and politely waiting Day6.

If you'd rather not respond, then perhaps you could ask for that post to be removed- Thanks.

Perhaps I ought to remind everyone that I voted remain.

quizqueenBefore the referendum very few posted on daily basis about how the EU was making their lives awful to be fair..

Quizqueen You said

Before the referendum was even dreamt up by Mr Cameron, I wonder how many people posted on a daily basis on gransnet (or mumsnet or in the media, in general), all about how they loved the EU, how they loved paying £50 million a day etc, into their coffers because it was worth it to have your country told what to do all the time by another organisation!!

Very few I would imagine as I doubt many saw it the way you describe. I don't think anyone believes that our country has been told what to do all the time by another organisation, please explain what you mean by that? Perhaps your misunderstanding of the way the EU works is the reason you voted leave?

Because there has been none of that description on GN- has there? You really need to give examples of this- or withdraw, really.

Gnet Remainers are waiting with interest,Day6

Day6 'you are talking about GN adn say 'Remainers have been using theirs to write the vilest hate mail, for the last three years, incessantly.' - have you received some by pm? Because there has been none of that description on GN- has there? You really need to give examples of this- or withdraw, really.

Many of us can find pages and pages of the vilest hate mail on Twitter, FB, other sites and some section of the Press- and videos too. But none from GN and none from remainers.

However, Callistemon, Day6 clearly states that Remainers have spent three years sending messages of hate.

That is an inflammatory statement and one which cannot be substantiated. If she cannot prove it, she should withdraw the accusation.

I think you are not understanding the particular grammar of the vilest hate mail.

It is not a comparison, it is, I think, an expression of how extreme it is.
That from other factions may be 'the vilest' type of hate mail too.

My post was pertaining to GN.

Sorry Day6 most of the death threats, hate mail, abuse come from the pro Brexit faction. Why has Gina Millar/ judges/ Anna Soubry etc had to have police or private protection? Who killed Jo Cox? Sorry, but the far right contain the thuggish element you wish to deny. Give us the evidence for your assertions.

Sorry Day6, that can't remain unchallenged either. The tabloid press, and so many twitter groups, FB groups, and other social media, some open, some closed- have been posting the vilest threats, death threats, and the most absolutely violent and disgusting stuff re remainers and politicians who are trying to save the country from a disastrous No Deal. Leave marches have demonstrated the vilest, most violent people, shouting, abuse, and worse.

They do not represent the majority of leavers- but their violence, abuse and threats cannot be ignored- or compared - at all. Please provide links- and we will provide our own re the above- there is tons out there to see and witness.

Day6 please tell me how you know beyond doubt that 'the vilest hate mail' sent incessantly for the last three years, was from Remainers?

Show me the evidence and I will believe you.

I'd say 99.9% of those ordinary, everyday people (from all walks of life, ages, professions) who want to Leave share the dislike of thuggery and violence, in any form, for any reason.

Rest assured, 17 million decent people pour scorn on violence too. I have been a football fan for a long, long time. Back in the '70s, boot boys, nasty skinheads looking for a fight, rampaged around towns - having 'fun'. Thousands upon thousands of fans deplored their behaviour. Thousands and thousands went to matches for love of the game, camaraderie, banter and friendships formed from attending games over a long period of time.

The boot boy element of Brexit exists on both sides. The scorn poured on people who voted differently from Remainers has been absolutely appalling. The names Leavers have been called, the comments from remainers about Leavers in opinion sections of the press, the picture Remainers like to paint of Leavers being violent scum has been well documented,

Let's not pretend Remainers wear halos.

If the pen is mightier than the sword, Remainers have been using theirs to write the vilest hate mail, for the last three years, incessantly.

Shame on you.

Those accusing anyone daring to criticise the sacred icon of Brexit are labelled as doom and gloom mongers who have no idea of the future glories ahead. Well those supporters have no idea either, but they are prepared to drag millions of their unwilling fellow citizens into the unknown, causing political chaos and costing millions which could have been spent on our creaking public services. If that isn’t pointed out it will be assumed we are all of the same mindset. When we are blatantly divided.

Lemon, I am sorry but I can't let that go unchallenged.
1 million +++ marched the streets of London, and previously about 500.000 - and NOT ONE single unpleasant incident. Just good humour, solidarity, people of all ages and backgrounds, families, some 3 generations - NOT ONE single issue.

And then look at the small marches of leavers and the vile bile, violence and hatred that poured- against the police too. Of course, they are not representative of all leavers- but they are definitely a strong wing. And Will Self's comments to the awful Mark François were spot on.

I hope for her sake that brexit does not happen as we surely all must know by now that it will affect every one of us. Even those cushioned by wealth could find their lives disrupted in unimaginable ways. Be careful not to develop a serious illness needing unobtainable medication

Doom, doom and still more doom.
Surely, given you don't know what tomorrow will bring, never mind next year, this constant Remainer scaremongering and worse case scenario outlook must be affecting you varian?

I remember life before the Common Market/EU. We were poor, very poor. In no way, shape or form did being in the EU change my circumstances.

We happen to live in a country big on human rights, enlightened, and with a welfare state. The UK is a good place to live and just because Brussels can no longer interfere or demand billions from the UK does not mean all that we are and all we have goes down the drain!

We will adjust - but you seem determined to deny that (why???) and imagine only horror once we (if we) wave bye-bye.

Life goes on, as the many cheery and upbeat threads on Gransnet indicates. I'd say most of those posters on political threads who are bracing themselves for nothing short of a post-Brexit armageddon, tend not to post much elsewhere.

Varian you state ( with a straight face?) that ‘Brexit has indeed brought out the worst in some people’.......really?
You think? ?
It’s certainly brought out the worst in many Remainers.