Referendum

United we stand, divided (Europe) we fall.

It is far better to work together as a team rather than as individuals. There will be difficulties and disagreements but better to work together to resolve them than to go off in a huff!

Simplistic I know but really we have not done badly as a country when a member at all!

Well there is your answer if every prime minister including Ted Heath was in favour of Europe who are you are mere joe public who doesn’t know anything know anything about the complexities think that you know better !

I voted to Leave and would certainly do the same again should there be another referendum, not there there should be, just because MP’s are acting like idiots.
It’s notable on this thread that some Remainers are still grilling and castigating Leave voters for the way they voted,
And interesting that quite a few on here voted Remain but would now vote Leave, and I think this would be replicated throughout the country.A vote to Leave The EU would probably result in an even larger number wanting to leave.

100% leave

Absolutely appalled at the posters who says they wouldn’t vote again in another referendum!!! think of the countries where everybody never mind just women aren’t able to vote today and the people who sacrificed their lives in the past to vote. If you don’t vote , don’t complain if you don’t get what you want I think voting should be absolutely compulsory . Voting is an absolute privilege surely some of you on here do not deserve .

My heart wanted to vote leave and my head to remain, so I voted to stay in the EU. The events of the last few years and the loathsome conduct of Junker et al would probably reverse my vote in a second referendum, but personally I fervently hope this won’t take place. The civil unrest which would inevitably follow would only put the final decision even further out of reach.

I voted remain and would do so again.
We helped make the EU laws and implement them. We also had the most concessions of any of the other 27 countries making up the EU, also why should we expect that the EU comprise their core values and give into the demands of people who voted to leave in the referendum.

Gosh * Gabbriella* the young people I know are far better informed and able than the ones you know! Even my primary aged DGC have a basic grasp of the situation! maybe my area of Surrey has a different demographic!

Leave then and Leave now.

I’ve just read all these posts. Seems:
(a) almost everyone would vote the same way again
(b) apart from 2 posters who voted Remain and would now vote Leave.
and
(c) out of everybody on here ... just been one person (you know who you are and I refuse to highlight you) who descended into a nasty comment by saying those who voted Leave are racist.

It seemed a good idea when it was just a “common market” trading between countries, fair enough. When everything else got taken over it seems to me, that is when the problems began and certain people became resentful. Not sure which way I would vote as it was not just the leavers who were lied to. The remainders did their fair share of it and scaremongering. However, I would definitely vote, women fought so that I could.

Voted leave and leave it will be.

POGS I do see your point, but the way I look at it is I voted for what I thought was the best solution for the future of our country, I just feel that there is no point in voting again if once again I will not get my wish.

Remain!! In an organisation that hasn’t had an internal audit since 2013 ....I don’t think so...jobs for the boys!!

It was never a decisive victory for the leave campaign. It gave a clear message that the country was very divided in its opinion. Only a stupid & self serving set of politicians takes a country to the brink on such a close vote. It was not a clear call to leave!

I do not want another referendum.
It will make a joke of the democratic process if the result is to remain, of which ilk I am.
Every MP should hang their head in shame at the fiasco Brexit has become.
They are elected to represent the people of Britain and the whole thing is embarrassing / no laughable.
I wish I could evade the news for the next 2 years as this is going to drag on & on & on......

Mmmm majority rules..... Doesn't it?

Still would vote Remain.

Abbey, you only have to read the comments here to find people talking about being controlled by unelected bureaucrats. I’m not making anything up, merely questioning claims that are actually made against the EU.

Remain then and Remain now, haven’t heard one good reason to leave despite asking many Leavers.

*I voted NO in 1975 too- I did not know a single person ( & I had a very large social group then ) who voted yes. I always believed it was a con & still do
Leave ASAP please!*

I maybe getting a bit off topic but....

Craftycat, interesting you should say the above , because I have heard many people who remember the 1970's and the vote in 1975 say pretty much the same thing about never having been able to find anyone who voted to stay in the EEC .

People then were far more naive and believed I think that the politicians would not try and deceive and manipulate the fair voting process. However, since 2015 anomolies have come to light ( voting cards going to those who had no right to vote, twice voting students, by their own admission, overspending in election campaigns, lost voting boxes, lost postal votes, how many do we need to start wondering were these things going on back in 1975 also?

We had a referendum in good faith. Yes, we all know the political and chattering classes wanted a remain and thought they had ( by hook or crook?) bagged it. Cameron was even on record as telling the EU that he would win the referendum for remain and " dock the UK permanently into the EU" Despite his confidence ( the confidence of a man who thought he had rigged the vote?) it was a leave vote. A soung leave vote with over 2 million more people voting leave than did remain.

Remain like to think the difference was not that big, but it was big. Outside certain areas ( london, Scotland and NI) often more than 70% of the electorate voted leave. More than that, the actual turn out in the referendum was significantly higher than has even been in any general election, but still remainers want to think that the gap was small.

It wasnt small. It was statistically significant, but more than that, in a country where we accept a democratic vote, it was a win for Leave and that should have been honoured in its entirety, not fought over in any attempt to overturn it or fudge it into something it was not. None of that was legal.

Still remainers talk of another referendum - but we have actually had three votes on this. We had a General Election where the major promise made by the wining side was that they would hold the referendum, then there was the referendum itself and then another general election where Theresa May promised to deliver on the leave vote of the referendum - and like it or not remainers, she still wont that despite all attempts to try and lose it with other less palatable ideas she put forward. It was the leavers who voted to ensure they delivered on the Leave vote.

Even last night, Theresa Mays attempt to lock the country into a "deal" that was remain fudged to look like leave was defeated. - So leave won again.

But still you cant stop..... one has to ask why?

Remain then and Remain now, haven’t heard one good reason to leave despite asking many Leavers.

Really?

I have the same problem but mine is with remain voters, despite asking constantly since before the referendum for just three well founded and good reasons for not leaving the EU - all I have ended up with is
a) we wont be able to travel abroad ( really? We did that just as well before the EU or even the EEC existed!)
b) I dont mind how many immigrants come here ( as if leavers are all against immigration and that was their reason for voting - err no!)
c) my kids might want to go and work in the EU .... yes with most EU countries having youth unemployment running at over 50% and general unemployment running far higher than here, that is very realistic..... why do you think so many people from the EU come here? I'll tell you, its because we have work and their countries do not.

Some economies in EU countries are completely broken and others are marginal.

Unfortunately we dont have the amount of work the those EU migrants need and someone has to step aside - it could be your children and grandchildren who may well lose out.

So, the remainers arguments come down to wanting cheap mobile telephone calls when they go on holiday in other EU countries and they want to travel without passports. Good reasons for staying in a broken economic, political and failed social experiment I am sure. ( not)

Leave in 2016 and leave now. What is the point of our Parliament if it just acts on instructions from non-elected Brussels bureaucrats? Are our MPs afraid they won't be able to blame the EU for decisions the electorate doesn't like?

Gosh Gabbriella* the young people I know are far better informed and able than the ones you know! Even my primary aged DGC have a basic grasp of the situation! maybe my area of Surrey has a different demographic!*

I work with young people in the 16 - 25 age range largely. They are generally very poorly informed except into the received wisdom of their teachers - who are largely paid for by EU grants, so have vested interests. Outside of that most of the youngsters really do not care that much. Some are influenced by the voting patterns of their parents ( but it has ever been thus)..

If you have a demographic that is different, they it is an anomoly.

I would always vote leave.
PECS, What do you call a decisive victory - the one where Wales voted for limited independance which had a majority 0.3% and yet was passed by the UK parliament.

I am sorry about the typo's but I am sure intelligent people will be able to use their brains and the redundancy of the English language to make sense of the above despite the typo's. I seem to have been writing on a keyboard which was not faithfully reproducing my tip tip taps.