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dragonfly46 Sat 12-Jan-19 22:17:27

An Australian magazine has published an article saying that Charles and Camilla are about to announce their divorce. Apparently they haven’t been seen together for sometime.
Speculation or not?

GabriellaG54 Wed 16-Jan-19 09:12:49

BL72
smile You made the point about Royals chrystal clear.

Jannicans Tue 15-Jan-19 19:47:15

Australian magazines have to make up stories to sell their tasteless products otherwise no one would buy the magazines.

Jalima1108 Tue 15-Jan-19 10:42:45

imprisoned in their fate
What an apt way of describing it Bradfordlass

BradfordLass72 Tue 15-Jan-19 01:00:30

If you are interested to know just how far the press will go to sell fake news, read Alan Rusbridger's brilliant 'Breaking News'.

Or I could send you a headline about me ( and I'm not using my real name) which yelled in letters which took up the whole front page of the tabloid, ' Jenny and 1000 men!'

I feel sorry for the Royals, imprisoned in their fate.

MawBroon Mon 14-Jan-19 23:41:26

I wouldn’t give up the day job if I were you.

GabriellaG54 Mon 14-Jan-19 23:17:15

AnnieBach
Maybe I should start charging...
winkgrin

Mapleleaf Mon 14-Jan-19 22:56:45

They seem very happy to me.

Anniebach Mon 14-Jan-19 18:28:30

I care that Camilla has the title , should all second wives not be allowed to take their husband’s title if they wish.

notanan2 Mon 14-Jan-19 18:25:15

God who cares really.
Everyone who clicked on this thread title, especially those who took the time to post on way or another grin wink

Elegran Mon 14-Jan-19 17:54:27

If you don't care, why bother posting?

Mycatisahacker Mon 14-Jan-19 17:33:29

God who cares really.

Blinko Mon 14-Jan-19 17:26:12

Of course Camilla will be Queen/Consort. It goes with the badge. What else would anyone expect?

Framilode Mon 14-Jan-19 17:25:31

So do I Annie. I think he will.

Anniebach Mon 14-Jan-19 16:57:15

I do hope we will have Camilla Queen Consort

Anniebach Mon 14-Jan-19 16:55:43

Gabrillela you seem to be the medical expert on this thread, you diagnosed madness , why would I bother to consult anyone when you know it all !

mrsmopp Mon 14-Jan-19 16:52:31

Why are we all talking about schizophrenia on a thread about Charles and Camilla? Let's keep to the topic.
When I was in the USA the National Enquirer published loads of outrageous stories about the Royals - it didn't have to be true- it sold papers. You can see it now on YouTube more gossip about the Royals. It's best ignored.
Now Charles and Camilla have got what they wanted and are together. Will we have a Queen Camilla? (Hope not!)

Elegran Mon 14-Jan-19 16:46:15

Unless he could be exhumed and tests done directly on his tissues, we shall never know for sure, but it seems to me very possible that he had a gene that gave him a predisposition to porphyria (and which was inherited by several of his descendants who displayed symptoms) but that the medication he was given for his earlier milder attacks contained arsenic and exacerbated his illness. The gentian-based digestive medicine which tinged his urine blue was administered because he was already suffering from the abdominal pain.

References -
In George 111's hair "An unexpectedly high concentration of arsenic (17 parts per million [ppm]), compatible with systemic toxicity, was also detected. Control hair samples had concentrations of arsenic between 0·05 ppm and 0·25 ppm (table). Values greater than 1 ppm in hair are thought to indicate possible arsenic poisoning."
"Although there is no established proof that arsenic alone provokes acute attacks, exposure to arsenic and lead in “moonshine” whisky has been reported to precipitate variegate porphyria12 and excretion of porphyrin metabolites correlates with the degree of chronic arsenic exposure in animals and man. If George III did indeed inherit the inborn error of metabolism that causes porphyria, he would be sensitised to the effects of arsenic and other heavy metals. Indeed, amounts of toxic metal insufficient to induce frank poisoning would, in all probability, exacerbate porphyric attacks in a susceptible individual." pdfs.semanticscholar.org/e71f/5dd29ba98b360969e5f4af6298417832ad10.pdf

"a single report of blue urine followed six reports of normal urine during the previous six weeks. Peters and Wilkinson suggest that the prescription of extract of gentian as a digestive stimulant three days earlier may offer an explanation for the discoloration. " It would explain that single report of blue urine, yes, but his physicians must have been aware of that likelihood and would have commented on the cause?

And

"Since heme is a pigment, it stains the urine. Usually the urine is tinged red or purple, but there are cases in which the urine turned blue, or left behind blue stains. " io9.gizmodo.com/the-king-who-peed-blue-930843334

"if George III had inherited porphyria, then half of his 15 offspring and eight siblings should also have had the porphyric gene." But it often descends "silently" only appearing on some trigger - and several descendants showed signs and symptoms (including the dark urine)

GabriellaG54 Mon 14-Jan-19 16:18:28

If in doubt, why not ask your doctor AnnieBach ? smile

Jalima1108 Mon 14-Jan-19 15:57:46

Sorry spelling!
It is impossible to try to correct anything today

Jalima1108 Mon 14-Jan-19 15:56:21

Hair from George III has been analysed and found that it contained 300 times the acknowledged toxic level of arsenic, probably due to a medication given to him called James's Powders. Arsenic is known to trigger poryphyria, so his medication made him worse.
(Science Museum)

Perhaps a 'chicken and egg' scenario.

GabriellaG54 Mon 14-Jan-19 15:01:45

Personally, I would not challenge Dr Worsley's account nor those of the notable scientists who contributed to her assessment and conclusions.

GabriellaG54 Mon 14-Jan-19 14:55:54

His urine was BLUE due to medication, not the colours associated with porphyria.

Elegran Mon 14-Jan-19 14:53:24

Thank you for your contribution. There are differing opinions on what he was suffering from. I wonder whether the other descendants had all been given the same medication, right up to Prince William of Gloucester (1941-1972) ?

GabriellaG54 Mon 14-Jan-19 14:53:15

Elegran
Screenshots of subject.

GabriellaG54 Mon 14-Jan-19 14:49:07

It's as well to know what you're talking about when posting comments.
Elegran
I suggest that you Google 'The Madness of King George' and it will tell you that the erroneous diagnosis of porphyria was due to the colour of the King's urine which was blue, due to medication. A better more authentic and knowledgeable description of his symptoms and diagnosis is given by renowned historian Dr Lucy Worsley on the BBC News forum shown in the attached photo. I cannot link it from my mobile but it's easy to access.
Today's diagnosis is that he was mentally ill, hence, the title of the film is correct.
There is a very good, easily understandable (to the layman) book by Neel Burton (correct spelling) titled The Meaning of Madness.
He's also written others including one on schizophrenia.
I hope this comment shows my effort to post an informed appraisal of the subject.