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Pressure on the very elderly to move house

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EllanVannin Thu 08-Nov-18 12:09:33

None of us know what life's going to throw at us as we get older and the thought of moving out of a family home can be the last thing that anyone would ever consider.
Should a person perhaps become widowed then it is entirely their decision to stay put if they so wish providing that there are no health/safety issues and that they can cope both physically and mentally.
Health can deteriorate rapidly with the upheaval of moving as well as the psychological trauma of leaving behind everything that was familiar.
There are teams of carers who will look after a person in their own home.

Framilode Thu 08-Nov-18 11:48:11

In my previous life as an estate agent some of the saddest sights I saw were elderly people, now on their own, reduced to living in one room downstairs. They had left it too late to move and simply couldn't face the upheaval.

I think you should move before you really need to to make life easier.

Witzend Thu 08-Nov-18 11:41:41

I've known of old people who are living in cold, badly maintained houses that are far too big - and people who refuse any outside help, however badly they need it.

Dh had an aunt like this - too mean to pay though she could well afford it. Sent away every carer dh arranged for her. We lived a 2 hour drive away so could not be popping in all the time. She relied on neighbours, mostly elderly themselves, who would wail to me over the phone that they couldn't cope any more! It was very difficult.

However the couple I posted about live in a warm, perfectly manageable house. They aren't averse to outside help - they have carers in daily to help with various things. They are well organised with a taxi co. to take them to familiar shops and a cafe where they are well known. There is a corner shop close by they can get to - one goes on a mobility scooter.
There is a big hospital just down the road, so that after the occasional fall, an ambulance has arrived within minutes.
They are both still perfectly well able to use the phone.
They have neighbours - not just us - close by, who will help when asked, which is not often.

I can see that they might be marginally safer in sheltered accommodation, but it would surely only be marginal, and if they'd be miserable, as I am pretty sure they would be, away from everything they know - would it really be worth it?

Billybob4491 Thu 08-Nov-18 11:14:33

After living in the family home for over 40 years we downsized a few years ago, but still in the same area. It took us the best part of a year to dispose of furniture, clothing, etc., Seven years down the line, we do not regret the move but I do miss my dresser!

Grandma70s Thu 08-Nov-18 11:06:35

I’m in my late 70s, and this problem was recently settled for me. I was aware the my house was no longer suitable for me. Large old semi, very large garden, outbuildings, crumbling roof, rotting windows, all kinds of faults. I’d lived in it for 40 years. I didn’t have the energy to house-hunt and move, but I was very worried about maintenance. I just couldn’t be bothered. I had a cleaner and someone to do basic gardening, but it was all getting out of hand.

Then I collapsed and was in hospital for six weeks. In that time my elder son took over and found me a very nice flat in a place where there is some care if needed, but it’s not intrusive. I still feel a bit of a stranger here, but it is as nice as I’m likely to find, and I’m grateful. Apart from essentials most of my stuff is still in the old house, so I am waiting till my sons (who live 200miles away) are free to move more things here. A lot will have to go, of course, and then we’ll sell the house. It’s in a very good location and in spite of its faults I think someone will eventually buy it - I hope so, or I’ll have to pay two lots of council tax!

I think these things solve themselves in the end.

annsixty Thu 08-Nov-18 10:36:01

We are 82 and 81 living in a 4 bedroomed house, my H has dementia so a move was never on the cards as he can't cope with change at all.
He will be going into full time care soon as he is getting too much for me to cope with.
I currently manage with help in the house and the lawns mowed.
I have considered my situation when I am on my own, my instinct is I will stay put.
My D lives her own life 300 miles away, she thinks I am invincible.
My S lives 2 miles away, he hasn't visited for 2 months, he has his own problems and I don't bother him.
We are all different and I think the OP's neighbours should stay where they are happy.

Jalima1108 Thu 08-Nov-18 10:34:07

In fact, with all the present and proposed house building going on has anyone had the foresight to build such homes?
I doubt it, but, if they did, that could release more family sized homes for young families.

Jalima1108 Thu 08-Nov-18 10:31:48

It would be good if there was more suitable accommodation around for older people - I don't mean retirement villages, just bungalows with small flat gardens!

Anniebach Thu 08-Nov-18 10:30:25

My younger daughter wants me to move 217 miles to live near her, I can understand her concerns, she can’t expect her husband to sell up their home so she can move near me. There may come a time when I will have to move, there may not.

Jalima1108 Thu 08-Nov-18 10:25:14

We would have gone and helped with any moves, it would have been unthinkable to let them do it on their own.

Jalima1108 Thu 08-Nov-18 10:23:53

I think it's a tricky one too.

My parents wanted to move to somewhere more convenient when the stairs became too much but they really left it too late.
We tried to persuade MIL to move from her rented house to a sheltered flat only half a mile or so away from where she was but she refused.

It is up to them to make the final decision, but it is such a worry if you live some distance away, especially if an elderly parent is on their own and not coping with steps but refuses to even contemplate living somewhere more convenient.

eazybee Thu 08-Nov-18 10:08:23

I was that daughter; lived nearly two hundred miles away, only child, worked full-time, difficult to get there when crises occurred, which they did with increasing regularity.

The four bedroom house was cold, unmodernised and inconvenient; my mother had frequent falls and my father, in his nineties, could not look after her but refused to accept any help. Eventually she went into a home, and he had to follow, as he had a stroke and could not cope.
If they had downsized and/or moved nearer, I could have seen them more frequently and helped much more to keep them in their own home and support their independence. My mother wanted to; it was my father's intransigence which prevented it.
I had to clear and sell the house single handed, whilst they were alive, and it was extremely distressing.
Don't blame the daughter; she is trying to help her parents and is no doubt concerned for their safety.

GrandmaMoira Thu 08-Nov-18 09:57:04

My father moved in his late 70s from the family house where he'd been over 25 years to a bungalow near my DB. He made the decision and knew it was sensible but was not very happy. My DB did all the work. If a family member wants to push a move they need to do all the work.
I'm in my 60s and in the process of clearing a house I've been in for 20 years in order to move and it's a nightmare. Yesterday my DB and I spent the day dragging lots of dirty old stuff out of the cellar ready for the dump and I'm exhausted. I don't think anyone much older than me could do this.

oldbatty Thu 08-Nov-18 09:56:11

Tricky one....my very elderly parents have insisted in staying in their home. I can honestly say it is a complete and utter nightmare.

Luckygirl Thu 08-Nov-18 09:48:51

They should indeed be left in peace. They would find a move very traumatic.

They need a lifeline pendant - I presume they already have one.

I remember a client of mine who was told by her GP that she should move from her cottage to a sheltered flat in town. She obeyed. What a disaster! - she became very depressed with the loneliness, the traffic noise etc. And she desperately missed the cottage she had lived in for decades. This was a GP who was known for his arrogance - I was tempted to drag him to see her so he could witness her anguish.

Witzend Thu 08-Nov-18 09:37:09

We have neighbours in mid-late 80s, both quite frail now but no dementia. There have been occasional falls and spells in hospital, but on the whole they are more or less managing. including shopping, etc. We get a call now and then to help with something, which we're happy to do.

They're still in the house where they've lived for decades - a family house, but far from huge.
Their children both live some distance away - one about a half hour drive, the other quite a bit further.

One of them is urging them to move to a sheltered flat close to her own house. I know this sounds all very sensible in theory, and would certainly be more convenient for the daughter, but I can't help thinking it hasn't been thought through.

From family experience, I know a complete change of surroundings - even things like taps that work differently or a different cooker - can completely throw the frail very elderly, who are still managing largely because everything is so completely familiar. I can't help thinking that a major move like this would be very disturbing for them, and quite likely cause downturns.

Plus there would be all the headache of having to get rid of so much stuff, deciding what to keep, what will fit in a smaller property - coping with viewings from would-be buyers - not to mention all the dealings with estate agents and solicitors, packing up - none of which I think they could cope with themselves now.

They told me yesterday that they're happy where they are and don't at all want to move. Given their ages and general frailty, I can't help thinking they should be left in peace in their own home, at least until some sort of major crisis, which may well happen sooner or later, means that a move - probably to a care home - has become inevitable.

IMO the sort of move proposed should preferably be undertaken before people are very elderly and frail, when they'll be better able to cope with the change.

Any thoughts welcome.