Hats off...

Why did the public vote to leave ? What were their reasons ?

I think you must have forgotten a fair few valeriej43!

Apart from David Cameron ,worst PM ever

I certainly hope they’re not, Jane! That image of him sauntering off whistling, leaving all the mess for someone else to sort out....!

Doesn't bear thinking what Margaret Thatcher might have done!!
I suspect that history books written long after we have gone will be kind to Theresa May. There's probably nasty stuff going on that we don't ever hear about.
It's just such a hopeless situation with no outcome possible that will satisfy everyone.
Oh David Cameron!! History books won't be kind to you.

I know that this thread isn't about the police force, but my son-in-law is a copper, and it seems that with every year that passes his job is becoming more and more difficult. More paperwork. Fewer colleagues to help out. He now has to answer calls for assistance on his own sometimes. (It always used to be two officers to attend calls.) This puts every police officer in a potentially dangerous situation with no back-up. He can never get the holiday time that he would choose, because there aren't enough other officers to cover every break. He loves his job and wouldn't want to leave ... but is now considering his options. Such a shame!
To get back to Teresa May ... not doing a good job with Brexit - but then she was 'remainer', so I have doubts that her heart is in it. I keep hoping that she's got some trick up her sleeve, that she's been saving for the 'last ditch'.
It must be an exhausting job, and she does well to keep on. Early mornings, late nights, flying off to here and there - and back in one day. (And all the BS from her own cabinet and party, as well as the Opposition) It would be my absolute nightmare!
But she gets paid well (though not as much as Nicola Sturgeon, who voted herself a pay-rise!). And I'm sure there are other compensations for all her hard work (state-paid mortgages, etc. ???)
At the end of the day, she may not go down in history as a good PM, but she'll be set up for a great retirement!
(We needed a Margaret Thatcher for Brexit!)

Retired and not replaced. Much like everywhere else.
Let's face it, who'd join the force this day and age ? Not me !

But there wasn't a distinct lack of police officers in 2010.
From full fact :"The number of police officers has dropped by 19,000 since 2010."

Sadly,the Gordon Brown way of policing has been overlooked and the police are still left with reams of paperwork after they've made an arrest. He actually blamed the police themselves for not putting more on the beat. The minister of justice at the time had stated that police weren't patrolling but sitting " in the warmth of the station ".
The rules and regulations that were set were beyond a joke.The stop and search rules so that by the time an officer was taking particulars the offender or whoever had legged it. Then you had the laws which protected the offenders privacy to comply with data protection. Is it all worth it ? No !

Did Gordon Brown ever listen to the concerns of the public when he was in office ? I suggest you read about his strategies on policing when he was in power------it's no wonder there was a reduction in the force. There was a distinct lack of officers back in 2010 but it had nothing to do with budgets.

I think anyone with a police officer in the family knows what they think of TM

Police funding fell from 2010/11 to 2018/19. That’s according to estimates compiled by the National Audit Office. Overall funding fell by 19%, taking inflation into account. That compares to a 31% increase in funding between 2000/01 and 2010/11.
fullfact.org/crime/police-funding-england-and-wales

Police forces around the country have had to abandon proactive initiatives that they had put in place and which were making a real difference in the communities they were working in. These huge cuts to funding have meant that they now work reactively, attending, if they can, once a crime has been committed, instead of looking for ways to prevent it happening in the first place. Rising crime has a great deal to do with funding cuts and the funding cuts have everything to do with Theresa May.

Of course you can blame the government, led by a PM, in this case TM, for increases in crime. They set police budgets as they also set the budgets for the prison service, probation service and all the other services that help to reduce crime like youth and children's services, Sure Start, education. If crime were to be rising during a Labour administration don't you think the media would be blaming Corbyn for it?

crystaltipps, you can't blame the government for all the crime we've now got. How do you think it came about ? Who was it who took away police powers ? Their hands are tied " for fear of hurting criminals " in case there's an outcry from those members of the public who are ready to sue. The police are heartily sick of being let down by the DPP,CPS and other bodies who are concerned after an arrest. It's got nothing to do with TM.

She cut the police numbers which I think is unforgivable at a time when we are faced with terrorism , knife and gun crime, internet fraud and scams, plus all other crime. If you know anyone in the police I think you’ll find they don't have a good word to say for her.

Re: the Windrush scandal, it was Amber Rudd who'd made a thinly-veiled apology which then became her downfall in her position at the Home Office. Successive governments have/had known about this,along with those at the Home Office so why did it only come to light during this particular government's term ? What has everyone been doing at the Home Office these past 50 odd years ? It's up to them to inform governments on scandals of this scale.

As Home Secretary she created the hostile environment that has led to untold suffering for many of the Windrush generation, and she has never apologised. I have no sympathy for her. She chose to lead the party, no one forced her. Another case of ambition out running ability. I agree there's probably nobody better to take her place but what does that say about the calibre of Tory MP's?

Apart from being a conservative and a reason we are in the mess we are, yes she's great

A very good post eazybee and one that I completely agree with.

Yes, not many women could or would keep going in these circumstances, so a definite ‘hat’s off’ to her.?

What a great thread Jane, so pleased you started it.

I admire her as well. IMO she puts the other leaders to shame and exemplifies intelligence, maturity, dedication and good manners.

Another reason to admire her stamina and doggedness, is the fact that she is not in perfect health - she has type 1 diabetes. It's obviously well controlled, but it must sap her energy at times.

she's not a "POOR WOMAN" in any way,she has the job she wanted,and she wont be affected by the decisions she lands on the rest of us.Her and her cohorts will all be wealthy enough not to feel the pain,or like some will have their boltholes in EU countries .Of course all those EU laws about money laundering and tax havens that the EU are bringing in next year have nothing to do with Teresa and her friends looking for a way out!!

If only Ellan!

Scrap it altogether and carry on as we were. Why not ?

What a refreshing post.
I too admire Theresa May's tenacity, doggedness, sheer hard work and her ability to travel from country to country, meeting to meeting and continuing to do so, in the face of non-stop criticism and the insulting behaviour of senior EU officials who should behave with courtesy towards her, in public at least, whatever their political differences.
Unfortunately her abilities are compromised by what I believe to be two huge mistakes: calling a second election and her decision to appoint herself as chief negotiator. Negotiation is a very specific skill and I don't believe it is one she possesses.