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DaisyL Tue 09-Oct-18 10:58:24

I would really appreciate some thoughts on my problem. My husband died nearly three years ago and I have tow adult step children. My step-daughter is an alcoholic with two children. She was living in France but her brother brought her back to England because she was not with the children's father and they were in a house that had no heat, no water and no electricity and she had no money. After a while when she got back here he put her into a cottage that actually belongs to him, but it is my responsibility for my lifetime (I get the rent but have to maintain it). My stepdaughter has now had the children taken away from her (court ordered) and they are with a foster family. This is an interim order, but as she has made no efforts to stop drinking it is likely to be permanent. The children's uncle doesn't want to know and I am too old to have full care of them, but I do stay in touch. At 5.00 am this morning the stepdaughter was arrested for screaming and shouting and disturbing the whole village. Now everyone is getting at me - this is not by any means the first time this has happened, it seems to be a weekly occurrence. My problem is that I have been very reluctant to evict her as I don't think I could sleep at night if she was on a park bench somewhere but on the other hand the other people in the village are entitled to some peace and quiet. So sorry for this long message - I have tried to precis it!

notanan2 Wed 10-Oct-18 15:48:08

Willa it is my understanding that the brother has the cottage in Trust. As in when the OP dies it is his to do with what he pleases.

But while the OP is still alive she is the one managing it and it is providing her with an income through rent for the duration of her life.

It is not uncommon in step parent situations. It is hers to use now but she cant sell it and if she remarried or had other children the OPs late husbands children wouldnt lose their inheritance.

So it is the OPs "job" to evict.

She is also responsible for maintaining it so that when the step son gets it it is in good repair, so could be argued that she is actually required to evict her as per the terms of the trust.

Thats how I read it anyway

icanhandthemback Wed 10-Oct-18 15:51:30

Such a difficult dilemma. I don't know what the answer is but it probably depends on whether you will be able to live with yourself if the worst happened to your Stepdaughter if you evict her. It sounds like you couldn't live with it so you need to protect your own sensibilities rather than her neighbours'.
I certainly think that getting her into Rehab should be your first priority and then take it from there.

Anniebach Wed 10-Oct-18 15:55:59

Because notanan you said ‘evict her ‘ and ‘that girl is clearly not ready’ you have now added to this with ‘ she is proberly out and about with her boyfriend and other addicts ‘ and
‘ it wouldn’t surprise me if she is sleeping rough some nights anyway ‘

And you think these comments are not judgemental? I do

notanan2 Wed 10-Oct-18 15:55:59

P.s. rehab doesn't work that way.

It can help people who want to stop, but it cant help people who dont.

Until she is READY for rehab the main thing is keeping her physically safe, and the best place for that to happen may be a "wet house" hostel with staff who can help check on her and keep her physically alive while she isn't able to care herself about what happens to her.

Rehab is WAY down the road at this point, she has a long hard way to go before she is ready and able for it.

Anniebach Wed 10-Oct-18 15:58:49

For don’t want to stop please posters accept it can be she is afraid to stop because reality is too painful

Ilovecheese Wed 10-Oct-18 16:03:55

Well, I am going to go against the majority view here.
I don't see why you should go through all the worry and anguish if you evict her, just to please the neighbours.
I would tell the neighbours that you can't possibly evict her because she is your stepdaughter and has no where else to go, and to ask them to show some tolerance.
If they upset you, let them see that you are upset, and ask them to show some compassion for you, if they can't manage it for your stepdaughter.

notanan2 Wed 10-Oct-18 16:05:35

Anniebatch those are not judgements.

She is not ready for a stable rental those are the facts in the OP.

She is surrounding herself with other chaotic addicts and behaving destructively so it IS very very likely that she is sleeping out/elsewhere/passing out. That is not judging het that is the reality of this kind of destructive cycle, you can have a home to go to but still end up out on the street passing out or having the police called. The cottage being made available had not prevented this! So the OP cannot be held responsible/guilty.

The cottage isnt helping her.

If she stays in the cottage NOW she may not be ALLOWED to return to it at a later time when she IS able to try to make it work as by then she may have restraining orders and asbos in the village (very common for addicts to have & breach those)

The OP may be breaching the terms of the Trust, which requires her to maintain the cottage, by not evicting the step daughter.

Evicting the step daughter is not judging her. It is just what the OP needs to do right now.

Anniebach Wed 10-Oct-18 16:12:11

notanan, and if the girl and is evicted and ‘reaches rock bottom’ that rock bottom could be death.

notanan2 Wed 10-Oct-18 16:17:37

She is heading for rock bottom in that Cottage Annie and is more likely to die there than in a staffed hostel!

notanan2 Wed 10-Oct-18 16:18:38

Who is going to check she is still breathing when she is passed out in the Cottage? Her equally passed out boyfriend?

notanan2 Wed 10-Oct-18 16:20:10

The use of the cottage has NOT stopped her downwards trajectory.

How is NOT evicting her helping so far? It is not.

notanan2 Wed 10-Oct-18 16:24:19

And what if she pulls this back and improves and becomes ready to work towards stability?

Is it helping her to let her burn all het bridges in the village now so that she cant go back there later?

Anniebach Wed 10-Oct-18 16:38:34

There is no one cure for all , fact . I have not given advice to evict or not to evict , I do not know the girl, I do not know if she probably sleeps rough some times, I do not know if she mixes with ‘other addicts . I do not know why she became alcohol dependent. I do know reaching rock bottom can be death.

notanan2 Wed 10-Oct-18 16:43:09

Well then you haven't read the OPs posts.

notanan2 Wed 10-Oct-18 16:46:52

She has managed to find a fellow alcoholic who she refers to as her 'boyfriend' but I fear he is only hanging around because she keeps telling him that she is about to sell the house in France.

At 5.00 am this morning the stepdaughter was arrested for screaming and shouting and disturbing the whole village

notanan2 Wed 10-Oct-18 16:49:40

"I have not given advice to evict or not to evict"

Well pis or get off the pot then. The OP asked for advice/opinions/suggestions.

icanhandthemback Wed 10-Oct-18 16:54:12

The police say that it is a mental health problem and social services say it is an alcohol problem
Unfortunately, these strands are broken up into separate departments. We had this problem. My late brother self medicated with drugs and alcohol to control his crippling anxiety. One dept wouldn't treat him because of his self-medication (he was an addict so not their problem), the other struggled to treat because his anxiety kept causing him to fall off the wagon. It is a conundrum that nobody from within the powers that be seems to want to tackle.

icanhandthemback Wed 10-Oct-18 16:56:24

notanan2, is there really any need to be so rude especially to someone who has the most dreaded experience of any mother who has a child who suffers with addiction problems.

notanan2 Wed 10-Oct-18 16:57:31

My step-daughter is extremely unlikely to get her children back - the court made an interim order which expires in two months and it will be made permanent as she has made absolutely no effort to stop drinking.

This means that no only is she living in a chaotic fashion, but also that she does not currently have the will to be helped to live a less chaotic life

notanan2 Wed 10-Oct-18 17:00:03

If Anniebach is determined to miss read my posts and accuse me of judging things I havent judged then I will tell her to back off and concentrate on putting her own point across rather than pouncing on mine all the time.

notanan2 Wed 10-Oct-18 17:04:20

By all means Annibach have a different opinion to me...but how's about you express your own opinion and suggestions if you think mine are so bad.

So yeah, piss or get off the pot mate. Quit telling me my ideas are so wrong if you wont offer up any constructive alternative practical advice for the OP

Hm999 Wed 10-Oct-18 17:04:37

Daisy I feel so sorry for you and your caring stepson. Trying to help someone with an addiction is hell. She needs professional or peer help. Find it for her, and make it as easy as possible for her to get it e.g. take her to meetings etc. (Ignore her neighbours for a while by explaining the long-term approach)

Anniebach Wed 10-Oct-18 17:06:37

notanan, you didn’t tell me to back off you told me to to

‘Pis or get off the pot then’ . This such much about you.

notanan2 Wed 10-Oct-18 17:09:50

Yup.

Well you say I am judgemental by saying the OP is right to evict....but you also won't tell her NOT to evict & suggest how to proceed down that path...

So piss or get off the pot is entirely appropriate

Anniebach Wed 10-Oct-18 17:10:11

You are so right icanhandthemback