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How do you change a man’s behaviour (light hearted- I think??)

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petunia Thu 04-Oct-18 10:21:54

I have lived with my other half for over 40 years, most of them being married. One thing I have learnt in that time is that a man will only change his behaviour if he wants to change. No amount of begging, pleading, shouting nagging, cajoling, talking etc will make him change.
When we were both working full time, and had small and then larger children, most of the housework fell to me. It was easier that way. The pile of dirty clothes left by the side of the bed would never make it to the laundry basket if I hadn’t shoved them there after tripping over them every day to make the bed. Exhausted by the treadmill of work and childcare, I put forward the suggestion of a cleaner. He rubbed his chin, looked thoughtful for a moment or two then declared it was an expensive idea and couldn’t we just carry on doing it ourselves. I nearly broke a rib or two laughing at that one. When I wasn’t laughing I was dreaming of how I could stab him with the carving knife and make it look like an accident (that is a joke by the way)
We staggered on with me asking him to do this task or that, and he would do it after a fashion. So the ironing would be done but not put away. Or the request to bring the washing in if it started to rain resulted in just that. The washing, bungled together, often with pegs still attached, dumped on the nearest chair. Often still damp. Each time it happened and I asked why didn’t he put it in the tumble dryer or fold it and put it away was met with “but you didn’t ask me to do that”. Or shopping was short of vital ingredients but heavy on the crisps and beer.
His reasoning was that as he does all the DIY, he should have lighter housework duties. Fair enough but it’s not like he spent every free moment with a spanner or paintbrush in his hand.

Fast forward twenty years. Now, in the house without children, he has scaled down his housework responsibilities and has accepted a list of weekly tasks. There are his “jobs” and I do the rest.
Currently our kitchen has recycling items on two work surfaces and two bins full in the expensive kitchen with built in recycling boxes. The rubbish in the general bin is overflowing and beginning to pong. But as it’s Thursday and he empties the bins on Friday....... His clothes from yesterday managed to find their way to the washing machine, but not in it. The work surface has teaspoons trailing tea and splodges of milk after he made various cups of tea. Crumbs from breakfast add to the scene.
As he is last out of bed, he makes it. Nearly. With covers vaguely dragged approximately on top of the bed. His chair is surrounded by newspaper, notebooks, crumbs and remote controls (we have 8-dont ask). I think he does his jobs poorly so that I give in and take over. I have just paused in this thread to empty the bloody bins so it’s working. And it’s still only 10.15.

So 40 years on. Nothing’s really changed. Endless rows and nagging didn’t work. Asking, begging and pleading work on one occasion but then needs repeating. I once tried leaving the housework. Oh dear, disaster. Me and the children scrabbling around for clean clothes amidst a sea of clutter.
I think I have scaled down my expectations as low as they can be. What is the answer? Any ideas?

ReadyMeals Fri 05-Oct-18 12:18:25

You have to understand your material and its properties and work with it. Fortunately your material will do a task as long as it is fully scoped and documented. So add more details like "bring in the washing - if dry fold and put away, if damp put in dryer and turn on dryer", "Daily, check to see if there are any clothes under the bed, if so put in laundry bin". Etc. Many of us, including myself, have husbands with similar properties. I have learnt to be specific in my instructions, and it works well. It's the ones whose material won't bend to do tasks at all I feel sorry for!

Chinesecrested Fri 05-Oct-18 12:40:50

Men are the hunter/gatherers. Women stay at home in the cave, cleaning and cooking. That's the way it works. I'm convinced there's something in their DNA that prevents them from doing housework. You can even see it in little boys who refuse to tidy their toys away. Not that that excuses it in this modern age, but we're fighting an uphill battle.

Nannymarg53 Fri 05-Oct-18 12:53:21

One word - divorce! ??

NonnaW Fri 05-Oct-18 12:59:43

What’s a food waste caddy gabriella? We certainly don’t have them in this part of England.

I’m lucky, my DH cooks, is happy to run the vacuum around, clean a d wash up/do the dishwasher. I think it’s me who’s the lazy one smile

Harris27 Fri 05-Oct-18 13:54:04

I'm I'll in bed having had sticky bug last night and dreaded looking in he kitchen after I managed to get up but all done. Nurse came nd give me an injection to stop the sickness and said what a well tribes hubby i had !! Must admit felt proud if him in an emergency!!!

Harris27 Fri 05-Oct-18 13:54:41

Sorry well trained .

cassandra264 Fri 05-Oct-18 13:55:32

The good news about DH:I haven't done any ironing for fifteen years. And he will hoover the carpet if I shout.

The bad news: If I go away anywhere and leave him on his own he won't even unfreeze home made food he likes. He lives off sandwiches - and when the fridge is empty goes down to the shop to buy crisps. Then, when I return, he complains about stomach problems.

Mycatisahacker Fri 05-Oct-18 14:02:32

You would he slaughtered on mumsnet for this post. Apparently all men do the chores 50/50 on there.

Obviously that’s not true or anyone I know or have ever known. But you can say that after 30 years married. It’s ok. grin

Personally I gave up work after dc 4 and it was far easier to just be the homemaker. We were all far happier, calmer and more organised.

I always paid for the ironing to be done though. And still do.

Ascot12 Fri 05-Oct-18 14:04:37

I find I have have to ask DH to do anything he would never think anything needs doing and then you get the acquasition of nagging. I have tried a different tack and asked him if he fancied a walk? he replied yes so I suggested he took the hoover with him, it worked as he couldn't say he was busy. Just having to think of other clever way around the problem.

ditzyme Fri 05-Oct-18 14:10:35

That's a brilliant idea, one of those you think to yourself, 'Why didn't I think of that?!'. I have used mats of various sorts, but they get dirty from tea drips, milk drips and so on, so I shall look for a tray now. Thank you.

Nananolife Fri 05-Oct-18 14:15:45

You married my husband !!!! I just steal his money to ‘fine’ him for his tardiness

Nanny41 Fri 05-Oct-18 14:36:30

Petunia,most of us recognise everything you have spoken about, many have said we cant change them, but how is it they have changed us?!
I admire so many who have "perfect" Husbands,who do everything without being asked, where did you find them?

Menopaws Fri 05-Oct-18 14:53:23

Ok where do I find the perfect husband website? Seriously I have one from the Petunia husband school of incompetence. If he wasn't so damned sexy I would have given up years ago.

willa45 Fri 05-Oct-18 15:25:24

My H is a wonderful, dear man and we've been married for 52 happy years (peppered with sporadic bickering, heated arguments and a few historic rows). He's not perfect by any means but he tries....most of the time. I keep reminding him that we are now BOTH retired and it seems to work....some of the time. The tasks are finally being evenly sorted out....most of them, and he does almost 50% of his share.....some of the time.

Our biggest contention is laundry. Things would be perfect if he learned to aim squarely for the dirty clothes basket, sort the whites and the colors, fold the laundry (instead of rolling things into a ball) or at least put his collared shirts on a hanger instead of rolling them up too. Otherwise, he is willing to help with the laundry....some of the time and right now he's making breakfast smile

KazzaK Fri 05-Oct-18 15:49:48

Wow! What is it with men?! Mine used to be very good at DIY so I could accept his shortcomings with regard to everything else. However after suffering some health issues (which haven’t totally incapacitated him I might add) he does nothing! The other day I went to work leaving him a tin of soup for lunch, came home, soup still there, his reason for not having it - he couldn’t open the tin! It’s a ring pull can for heavens sake!

jura2 Fri 05-Oct-18 16:09:26

Totally with J52 here 'I seem to have struck gold!
He does an equal share of housework, but is not very good at ‘corners’!
I couldn’t live with a man who expected me to wait on him and do all the ‘Women’s Work’.'

Me neither. It seems to me, the behaviour of men post retirement mirrors what happened before. If one partner, and lets face it, usually the man, is the one who goes to work and brings back the bacon- then it is normal that the other does the majority share of looking after kids, house, etc.

When both are working - then the balance changes.

And on retirement, this seems to remain more or less on same pattern. 'Man' retires from his job, but never takes on his fare share of housework, etc, because they have never done so. Seems a discussion is required re both having retired from their 'job' be it outside, or inside the home- then they have to share chores. Any man who could not understand that would not share my retirement years for sure.

Daisyboots Fri 05-Oct-18 16:13:45

Yesterday was my coffee morning with friends so I asked DH to hang out the towels when the washing cycle had finished. Our washing line is on the roof terrace so you can see it as you come down the road and round the bend to the house. I see there's nothing on the line so ask DH if he had brought the dry towels in. Oops no he had forgotten all about them . As our cleaner was here he had just moved from room to room with his phone for 3 hours to keep out of her way. I am going to have to print out a large sign "put washing out" because we are both prone to forget.

Saggi Fri 05-Oct-18 16:18:30

You do same as me olliebeak.... I've been doing the 'tray thing' since seeing my daughter using this method of eliminating drips and soggy teabags in the bin. Works well and tray gets washed every night and starts its duties first thing in morning. Oh and coconut .... please start putting your grandson right about ladies and housework . My SIL does his share, and my 11 year old grandson knows 'instinctively' that nobody likes housework...that would be just weird.... but it has to be done...and no 'one persons' name is written on it!!

Pat1949 Fri 05-Oct-18 16:34:27

Sounds like mine, the only difference seems to be my dh knows how to do it better and advises me how to do it to make my life easier. I had a total knee replacement recently, three days into it I could stand it no more, got myself mobile and took over the household chores again, although he did continue to do the shopping. Looking on the positive side, at least I had no chance of getting thrombosis through lying in bed. ??

thuberon Fri 05-Oct-18 16:47:15

SueDoku what a thoughtful article - and from the chap's point of view. I guess the nub is that if you have a loving relationship then give and take/ongoing argument/forgiveness of an uneven distribution of household jobs, can be pretty much acceptable. But if there is a lack of loving feeling then jobs left undone or done with reluctance/lack of care/after constant reminding, become a pointer to that lack of love and respect. And if there is no love why would the chap mind that his very capable, live in housekeeper is unhappy? The way things are suit him just fine. Why would he change his ways?

lesley4357 Fri 05-Oct-18 17:05:53

You could be describing my husband, although he did employ a cleaner when I started handing him the vacuum! I just choose my battles.

Barmeyoldbat Fri 05-Oct-18 17:21:44

Just don't do do it. Leave his washing, just do your yours. Men stuff all over the place, I just gather it up and pile it somewhere where it can't be seen, only takes a few minutes. Haven't yet worked out what to do about him saving the tea bag to next time and the dirty cup and spoon standing next to it, usually just push them to the back of the work surface. Otherwise he is ok but I usually go away for 1 or 2 days if his sister comes to stay because she is just as bad, if not worse and it drives men mad.

nananina Fri 05-Oct-18 18:03:23

Petunia - think we're married to the same man honestly.

However I have some health issues and he does comfort me and do the shopping and he is obsessed with the dish washer and he stacks it in one way before switching it on and then when it's finished (and for the 40 odd years before we had the dishwasher he NEVER EVER put anything away but now he empties the dishwasher and put everything away.

I could go on but recognise him in Petunia's post and many others..................

One thing about change is that A can't change B's behavior as we all know, but A can change their behaviour and that will bring about a change in B (may not be a positive change!) but worth a try.

Oh and I now have a cleaner for 2 hours a week - she's wonderful, washes paintwork and sorts out kitchen cupboards irons, vacuums and cleans windows. Best £20 I spend every week!

Telly Fri 05-Oct-18 18:23:12

Well you are not going to change him. The only thing you can do is change your attitude to it/him. Ask him to do things, repeat and keep on until they are done. Don't let it get to you though, that's the key!

jura2 Fri 05-Oct-18 18:27:37

If the balance is totally squewed for the length of the relationship- it is not going to change by miracle on retirement, is it? Unless clear and frank discussions discuss that in reality- you have BOTH retired, he (most of the time, yes even in 2018) from his job, and you from yours - therefore what is left has to be shared, one way or another, even if a cleaning help is employed.