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Sallyann1 Sun 22-Jul-18 20:44:04

So, husband and I met with our 3 adult daughters this morning for coffee, with no grandchildren (there are 7). We haven’t seen them for a while - they’re teachers and have been busy, as indeed have we! So, lots of chat and then I caught the end of a conversation that eldest daughter was having “Oh no, T (14 yr old grandson) says B (his grandad / my husband) is a boobs man”. I kind of laughed along, as we all did, then we talked of different things. But later, I tried to talk to husband about the comment, asking what he’d said to grandson. He got very defensive and quite angry ( as he does when caught on the hop), talked of male family members being able to chat to young male relatives about girls, “as it’s a tricky area for them”. I feel he has probably said something slightly inappropriate to the lad, in an effort to be “down with the kids”, and to be liked as is his need.
Had a glass of wine there, read what I’d written and nearly deleted it - anticipating comments like “huh”, “mountain out of a molehill” etc, but it’s just I thought as liberal, 60s hippy folks we were past all that objectification of women. In the discussion with husband, he said that men do look at women and react to big boobs, short skirts etc.
Oh I don’t know, just feeling a bit low now, so don’t be too hard on me!

PECS Wed 25-Jul-18 16:43:40

As we are not sure what exactly was said, or in what context, to call the grandad a sleazeball is a bit harsh! Grandson may have heard talk about males fancying 'boobs' 'bums' 'legs' etc from other lads, on TV etc. & needed to check it out for authenticity. He may have asked his grandad what his preference was. Might be totally innocent! Poor grandad my have been caught on the hop and just answered honestly!
We can always be wise after an event or be judgemental when we are not directly involved. It is a shame if GD did not clarify the superficiality of physical attraction but we all miss golden opportunities.

janeainsworth Wed 25-Jul-18 16:28:26

The fact that it’s on Facebook is no different from it being on here, Mary.

Anyone can see the posts on here.

Anyone can see the posts on FB, but only if they already follow GN on FB or they search for GN on FB.

ContraryMary88 Wed 25-Jul-18 12:19:06

80 posts and nobody knows what was said.......

And now it’s on Facebook, I hope the OP doesn’t get outed

thecatgrandma Wed 25-Jul-18 11:17:14

If he’s said something to his daughter or grandson he’s a sleazy undignified pathetic old man. Ok, the grandsons heard far far worse from other lads, but for his grandfather to engage in such a conversation is inappropriate. I don’t think you are going overboard at all, I’d have gone mental!

Telly Tue 24-Jul-18 12:07:05

I also think that an off the cuff comment, repeated 3 times which no else has taken offence at, should really be dismissed. I can understand you OH going off in a huff and feeling defensive, this is surely not worth having an argument about??

pollyperkins Tue 24-Jul-18 09:48:42

Good past MamaCaz. I agree.

MamaCaz Tue 24-Jul-18 08:10:36

From what little we know, and indeed what little the OP overheard, I find it rather strange that the GF is taking so much flack - seems to me that the conversation between the daughters, which ended with the 'boobs man' comment, is equally likely to have been an 'inappropriate' conversation, especially in public.
Moreover, if I have understood correctly, the daughter who threw in the comment (the boy's mother?) didn't show any signs of having been upset by it, did she?
If I were you, OP, I would have light-heartedly raised the topic afterwards with your daughter, because she is probably in a much better position to know (from whatever her son had said to her) whether anything genuinely inappropriate had been said or not, instead of all this speculation.

moonbeames Tue 24-Jul-18 03:15:08

Things have changed a lot around the world in this area. It is hard to say as you only got the tail end. Maybe it was all very innocent, but, it is very important that young men growing up are aware that its natural to admire a woman and what she has got. But, it is not appropriate to laugh at or mock women.
Can lead to an undercurrent of disrespect. Just keep an eye out, probably nothing at all.

Emm14 Tue 24-Jul-18 01:59:43

I think it is totally inappropriate for your husband to have said that to his grandson. It is a sexual comment, totally out of place within the context of grandparent/grandchild relationship

Iam64 Mon 23-Jul-18 20:46:00

I'd have been unhappy that my husband said this to a 14 year old boy and very unhappy that my daughter found it amusing.
It sleazy and in bad taste as others have said. How on earth something to sleazy could be called "banter" I just don't know.
Yes, it's good to have open conversations about sex - it's also good to demonstrate what's appropriate and what isn't. It's called being a good role model.

Fennel Mon 23-Jul-18 19:54:45

MamaCaz is right smile
TG her daughter, my cousin, is still in this life, (in Canada) and just like her Mum.

annep Mon 23-Jul-18 19:41:45

We all find different parts of the body of opposite sex attractive. No problem with that. But this was an inappropriate conversation between a man and his fourteen year old grandson. I would let my husband know that.

Grandma70s Mon 23-Jul-18 19:08:18

My last comment was about the OP, not the aunt and the chicken!

Grandma70s Mon 23-Jul-18 19:06:29

To me it sounds like a remark in bad taste from anyone to anyone, but worse from an older man to a boy. It’s setting a bad example. I’d have said so, though not at the time.

MamaCaz Mon 23-Jul-18 18:42:52

muddynails, I took it to mean that the aunt who asked the question knew exactly what she was saying - a deliberate bit of cheeky innuendo on her part grin
I could be wrong though (though according to DH, I'm never wrong wink)!

muddynails Mon 23-Jul-18 18:18:49

Fennel, don't get it, didn't she just mean the chicken,
or am I being naive?

MamaCaz Mon 23-Jul-18 18:13:40

I don't see anything sleezy about a man (any age) saying that he is a 'boob man', or a leg man, or anything similar to describe the part of the female body that he particularly likes.
Unless I have missed something, there is no reason to believe he said any more than that, nothing to suggest that he has mentioned any specific woman's boobs, is there?.

paddyann Mon 23-Jul-18 17:58:52

kooklafan glad mu GC dont have you around."verbal banter between guys" if I found some old sleaze bag talking about my daughter or grandaughters "boobs" or any other part of her anatomy I would be far from amused .Sleazy old men shouldn't be left alone with young boys who look up to them and their antiquated views .

FlexibleFriend Mon 23-Jul-18 17:21:54

A comment like that probably wouldn't have even registered with me let alone be bothered by it. It's great that they have a relaxed and jokey relationship and it's a shame that you don't understand it but feel the need to interfere with it.

mcem Mon 23-Jul-18 17:17:33

I detest the use of the word banter when used in this context.
Trump/pussy-grabbing/ locker room banter??

Fennel Mon 23-Jul-18 16:50:10

ps to my post - I hope I haven't offended any widowed aunties on here. They were sisters, both great fun, full of 'gan on'. I miss them.

muddynails Mon 23-Jul-18 15:38:41

Sallyannl, think you hit the nail on the head when you said dh wanted to be "down there with the kids " my husband
used to be a bit silly like that untill I suggested he should speak to gs like a grown up if he was having grown up conversations.

kooklafan Mon 23-Jul-18 15:18:06

Just verbal banter between guy's, may even have been initiated by DGS so unless you know the whole story I'd let it go. I've seen women behave appallingly towards men, verbally and physically and if the boot were on the other foot the guy would be up for assault but when confronted the women will say, we were just having a bit of fun. Six and half a dozen.

NannaM Mon 23-Jul-18 14:47:48

Interesting topic. I wonder how the DD furthered the conversation with her son? I wonder why she brought it up with her siblings in front of their parents? Three daughters talking about an inappropriate objectification from their father passed down to one of their sons? I hope that the DD (mother) didn't only laugh it off. I hope that the GF gets over his tantrum and learns some sensitivity. Sorry you had to overhear that Sallyann1. I am sick of Trump-like behaviour and speech from older men who should know better.

lemongrove Mon 23-Jul-18 14:29:07

I wouldn’t make anything from this, OP, it was perhaps just a bit of man talk, maybe DGS had confided something to his Grandad?
At 14 he probably knows it all anyway.You should forget this.
Your DD was certainly at fault though, for bringing this up over coffee!