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MawBroon Sun 17-Jun-18 09:04:35

Hard to believe when faced with the likes of Donald Trump and Homer Simpson (OK I know he’s not real-or is he?) but this article in today’s Sunday Telegraph caught my eye.

Studies show we’re getting dimmer. Could the rise in screen time be to blame ?
Your grandmother may have had a point. People these days really are stupider. A clutch of studies shows that IQ scores in developed nations, having risen steadily for the better part of a century, are starting to drop
The most comprehensive has just been published in the United States. Bernt Bratsberg and Ole Rogeberg took data from Norway, where military service is compulsory, and where all new conscripts are given a standardised IQ test. They found that men born in 1991 scored, on average, five points lower than men born in 1975
Link to follow, but food for thought?

quizqueen Tue 19-Jun-18 12:32:20

Donald Trump actually has a reasonable IQ, MawBroon, but I suspect he speaks just as highly of you!

HannahLoisLuke Tue 19-Jun-18 12:38:14

One of them is a doctor in A&E, one I think is a solicitor and the newest arrival is an adviser to ministers! Frightening, think I'd better give it a viewing just to see what we are up against.

maryeliza54 Tue 19-Jun-18 12:41:52

Why do people on GN watch Love Island?

Chewbacca Tue 19-Jun-18 12:51:20

Why do people on GN watch Love Island.

Because they want to? Because it's there choice? Because they enjoy it? Because it's a free country--last time I checked--? Personally, I detest all ball games (tennis, football, cricket etc), but I have no problem with those that enjoy them watching them. Each to their own. (smile)

maryeliza54 Tue 19-Jun-18 13:01:30

It must be because they enjoy it I suppose - I just thought it was aimed at younger people but is it all age programme? That’s why I asked - the age thing. Although I do love Hey Duggee and In the Night Garden

M0nica Tue 19-Jun-18 13:05:25

When I did geography at school (in England) in the 1950s, it covered both human and physical geography. It included climate, although, obviously not, climate change, geology, oceanography, map reading and map projections as well as the study of countries, industries etc.

Witzend Tue 19-Jun-18 13:16:37

Talking of stupid and stupider, did anyone else know that 'stupe' (noun, stupid person) is actually a word?
Dd has used it for years, as in, 'I'm such a stupe,' or (notably to her Dh after he pulled up her tomato plants thinking they were weeds) 'You unbelievable stupe!'

We thought it certainly ought to be a word, and when we looked it up - admittedly in my very big fat Oxford dictionary - lo, there it was.
We'd had no idea. Never heard it except from dd.

holdingontometeeth Tue 19-Jun-18 13:52:18

After reading all the publicity I had to have a look at Love Island, with the preconceived idea that it would be, like other reality programmes, full of empty heads.
I was not disappointed.
Breast implants, bum implants, botox, lip fillers, veneers, hair tints, eyebrow tattoos, false nails etc.
And that's just the male contestants.

luzdoh Tue 19-Jun-18 14:05:59

Marieeliz Sorry to have to report, but research into memory found that Cab drivers and Waiters had best memories and that Doctors were nearly bottom. I can't find the time to cite the research but it might come out if you google it. They went on to do a general knowledge tests in western Europe and USA which, as far as I remember, covered things like geographical locations, flags, recognising famous paintings, which animal is biggest out of two examples, is a litre more or less than a pint, is a kilometre bigger than a metre, some common word spellings, some questions about the natural world (to difficult, I remember something about does a deciduous tree stay green in the Winter? and things like that), some basic maths knowledge, like which is larger 5% or . 2? (that was "point"2!), some questions about well-known authors and their books and same with well known composers. Plus some very basic current events questions. I thought the questions would be within the grasp of an 11 year old. The results were the same as the memory test, the Cab drivers did very well, the Medics very badly. I think the research was done at the end of the 1980s. I’ll try and find it.
I have to say in response to the point about the National Curriculum Tests, I do agree, the schools do tend to drill the children and "teach to the test" rather than give a good broad education and encourage children to explore and find the acquisition of knowledge exciting.
BTW mabon1 I usually find that people who know their IQ are intellectual snobs! Also the Stanford-Binet type of
testing is just one way of testing.
I think Mensa give their members lots of tests, like they do on the Competition to find the cleverest child on TV. What do GNs make of that competition? I find I am drawn to it then watch it behind a cushion, feeling kind of sick a lot of the time and happy some of the time..
Kitty74 O how sad! I'm reading this in reverse. Have yet to find the "breeding" and "class" references. My dad aways said that the word "breeding" applies to pigs. "Class" in my humble opinion, is a word ppl use when they are ignorant and snobbish. It did get used a long time ago in some sociology studies I believe. I’m not sure most people here are talking about it. Please don’t leave because GN does have such good discussions on other topics which draw out such good and kind people. Ignore this one, it clearly isn’t for you. I’m not that sure it’s for me either tbh!

Grandma70s
When you said “A levels are not what they were, M0nica” I entirely agree! I taught at University. The students coming in had less info on which to build than in previous years except for some science subjects such as Chemistry.

luzdoh Tue 19-Jun-18 14:11:03

After "Some questions about the natural world" is a typo- sorry! it says to difficult (meaningless) should read not difficult.
Many apologies, I am so bad at making typos on GN!

KatyK Tue 19-Jun-18 14:12:55

Sometimes it's mind boggling. Shortly before I retired, I worked with a young lady of about 18. One lunchtime our manager went out to get herself a sandwich from the local sandwich shop. On her return this 18 year old said 'I've just been in there for a sandwich. What did you have?' The manager said 'I had the Manager's Special'. The 18 year old replied 'I would have liked that, but I'm not a manager'. confused

luzdoh Tue 19-Jun-18 14:13:21

holdingontometeeth Now you've made me wet myself!!!

Seriously - bum implants? Do they?

luzdoh Tue 19-Jun-18 14:15:42

KatyK Aww Bless! She knows her place!

Remember? "I look down on him because I am posher than him" "I look up to him and down on him" "I know my place"

KatyK Tue 19-Jun-18 14:16:46

smile

Barmeyoldbat Tue 19-Jun-18 14:37:31

I was asked by an American where I came from, the UK, England said I. Oh thats great and where did you learn to speak english.
I blame a lot of the lack of knowledge on family time. I can remember my dad getting a map out and discussing various countries, we discussed current affairs etc. These days I don't think parents do that as there is far to much screen time for both parents and children.

M0nica Tue 19-Jun-18 15:29:48

Lets balance this. I occasionally watch University Challenge. I was on it back in its early years in the 1960s. I think the questions now are a lot harder than the ones we faced. To begin with when I was on it there were very few science or maths questions and the team I was in were all humanities students. Music now includes more than just classical music and a much wider knowledge of quite arcane popular culture is expected.

sarahellenwhitney Tue 19-Jun-18 15:36:09

Twice as Nice. Our children have the option of state school free education and no doubt there are many of those with this form of education who have made a success of their life.Those who want to get on in life will get on , regardless of whether mummy / daddy can afford to send them where they can ''better''!!! themselves. You either have it in you or you don't have it in you.

sarahellenwhitney Tue 19-Jun-18 16:12:16

Barmeyoldbat. Am I right in thinking this was a recent question grin?

Fennel Tue 19-Jun-18 16:46:55

Well I'm saying nowt about place names and geography because I was hopeless at it.
But I love map-reading, I can sit for ages poring over an ordenance survey map, especially if I know the area anyway and I've walked in the area.
I think that dependence on satnavs could deprive a person of the ability to map-read.

Jalima1108 Tue 19-Jun-18 17:16:11

mic on google I could find people who believe the earth is flat
I met one - a lovely person and she was extremely convincing grin

Jalima1108 Tue 19-Jun-18 17:20:54

I think that dependence on satnavs could deprive a person of the ability to map-read.
I have often had to use my map-reading skills to get us out of the places where sat-nav inexplicably sent us

It included climate, although, obviously not, climate change, geology, oceanography, map reading and map projections as well as the study of countries, industries etc.
and crops - who can forget the Canadian wheat-producing prairies? Once learnt, never forgotten

luzdoh Tue 19-Jun-18 17:24:33

M0nica But is University Challenge a measure of general population intelligence?
Also, I think the questions are somewhat selected to represent the academic backgrounds of the contestants which explains why you don't remember many maths and science questions for your team. By saying you don't remember many science questions raises the importance of a wide education and not encouraging people into early one-sided specialisation. It makes for a very narrow career choice and an ill-informed populace.
My daughters and I have watched Uni Challenge since they were little. I get frustrated by recent classical modern music questions but they have a perfect right to be there. However I don't think they are harder than other music questions were, just harder for our generation.

I just don't think University Challenge is a barometer of the intelligence go the Nation.

luzdoh Tue 19-Jun-18 17:38:25

Fennel
"I can sit for ages poring over an ordenance survey map"
Me too! Once I visited my youngest at uni, at her flat-share. She said she'd have to spend some time with her science group or something, which I knew beforehand and didn't mind. Half way through their project discussion one of the lovely lads looked at DD and said "You've left your mum on her own!" DD: "Oh she's ok. Anyway I've given her the Map Book of Sheffield" she carried on doing the project and realised it had gone quiet. Looking up, she said to me afterwards they were all staring at her as if she were quite daft. In our family it is known as "Mum's autism" that I sit for hours and hours reading maps. My dear, very autistic cousin used to do do.

Jalima1108
"the places where sat-nav inexplicably sent us"
What a great discussion thread!! I have been along gated fields opening (and closing - not hilarious when you are on your own and the cows have sh...t all round the gates) about 6 gates until the "road" eventually petered out completely. More recently, I was going in completely the wrong direction. This was the first time it has ever happened, but it was really disconcerting. Luckily I do have a sense of direction so I did manage to get back to a road with road signs. I wondered if SAT NAVs are getting worse?

luzdoh Tue 19-Jun-18 17:42:20

Used to do do? nope, he used to do it!
time for my next dose of medication....

MargaretX Tue 19-Jun-18 18:36:16

this dumming down has been going on for 30 years or more. DH lectured in German at a Northern 'plate glass' 'university in 1997
The text was Red Riding Hood in German of course. The professor told him it was too long1 DH said he couldn't shorten it, the full story being well known and hardly too long to read.
The Prof then said that the text was more than one page and the students would be overwhelmed.

These students were learning at a University.

Bye the way I think an IQ of 125 is Ok. Mensa have a test for an IQ over 130. -or did.

more stupid is correct, and actually you couldn't easily say stupider