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DaisyL Sat 16-Dec-17 16:57:37

My DIL and I are feeling completely helpless. My 53 year old stepdaughter has always been a problem. She has lived abroad since she was 21. she left her first husband (by whom she had no children) after getting pregnant by an alcoholic, out of work, married French man. She went on to have two children with him (they ar now nearly 12 and 14). she and her partner tried to run a B & B in France, but she then became (or maybe always had been) and alcoholic and the chaos, dirt and screaming rows meant that the B & B failed. My husband died 21 months ago after a long illness and then my stepson went to France to try and extricate his sister. The upshot was that she and the children came back to England and I put them up for a month. She then went back to France to pick up some furniture and 3 dogs. I told her that if she brought the dogs (un-housetrained, destructive and aggressive) she could no longer stay with me. Needless to say she brought the dogs back and bought a mobile home for £6,000 with money her father left her. She was told by the vendor that he would buy it back when she was finished with it. A family owned cottage became vacant in the village so we said she could move in. The mobile home had been completely destroyed - it was filthy (used sanitary towels and cigarette ends all over the floor, rotting food in the kitchen, carpets ripped up, curtains torn.) My DIL spent four days cleaning it up - stepdaughter said she had a bad back and couldn't do it. There were 32 black bags of rubbish! The vendor was finally persuaded to give her £200 for the mobile home - this after five months. She managed to get a job as a carer but is suspended at the moment pending a disciplinary hearing on Monday. She said she had been given a few days off, but the letter arrived at my house and I opened it. The school have been in touch re the children's poor attendance. I have trued to contact the school and we have left messages back and forth but so far have failed to have a conversation. Her brother has completely washed his hands of her. My DIL (ex-wife of another brother who died) and I try to do as much as we can with the children and stepdaughter. We have helped her clean, taken her to AA, bought clothes for the children, taken them out, had them to stay, bought them food. But to be purely selfish after two years of caring for my husband I really don't want to take on two step-grandchildren on a full time basis. My question is what are the chances of them going into temporary foster care while we try and sort their mother out? Any advice would be gratefully received.

newnanny Tue 02-Jan-18 11:47:33

I am a foster carer and I can assure you that SS always try to ensure children can remain in contact with their relatives if at all possible. Even when family members take drugs or abuse alcohol they still encourage supervised contact. If these children are being exposed to these terrible conditions you describe it is not fair on them to allow it to continue and would be far kinder to notify SS who usually try to work with parents to see if they can improve lifestyle and accommodation before they would remove the children. You have to think of the children who are innocent in this and need a stable and safe home life.

quizqueen Tue 02-Jan-18 12:59:03

Let's understand this. The mobile home was filthy so she was then given a better cottage! This woman cannot take care of herself and hold down a job but was employed as a carer! Who makes these ridiculous decisions? Contact social services and say you will continue to be a grandmother only ( not a carer) to these children but I would suggest you wash your hands of this stepdaughter or your own health and bank account will suffer and you will not be in a fit state to be able to help anyone. Also, these children are French citizens and should have stayed in France and let their tax payers pick up the bill, not ours.

IngeJones Tue 02-Jan-18 14:34:05

The children are very unlikely to be denied contact with their mother (and you, if you want to be in contact) which can even include overnight stays and holidays if you're willing. So it's not like today's foster care breaks up family relationships necessarily. If I were you I wouldn't offer to have any of them living full time in your home at all. If you did, all the help would fall away and you'd be left struggling with the whole lot - mother, children and all.

alchemilla Tue 02-Jan-18 14:59:56

quiz the children are EU citizens until Brexit. So, just as the million plus Brits living and working in Europe benefit from the health and social care offered in Europe, these children benefit from what we can offer. Are you really suggesting these kids be sent back to France to an alcoholic father who lives in one room in a friend's house? Clearly OP needs to make sure she's not imposed on and can't cope in her mid Seventies with bringing up young children but if she can keep in touch with them that will give them a reassurance that someone cares even if the parents are incapable.

alchemilla Tue 02-Jan-18 15:00:06

quiz the children are EU citizens until Brexit. So, just as the million plus Brits living and working in Europe benefit from the health and social care offered in Europe, these children benefit from what we can offer. Are you really suggesting these kids be sent back to France to an alcoholic father who lives in one room in a friend's house? Clearly OP needs to make sure she's not imposed on and can't cope in her mid Seventies with bringing up young children but if she can keep in touch with them that will give them a reassurance that someone cares even if the parents are incapable.

Jalima1108 Tue 02-Jan-18 15:15:54

The children will be EU citizens after Brexit too, as their father is French.
If he can give them nothing else, that would allow them to have a French passport and EU citizenship. Presumably they have British citizenship too and then they would have dual nationality.

Jalima1108 Tue 02-Jan-18 15:17:19

Not that I am suggesting they be sent back to their father.

Cold Tue 02-Jan-18 18:49:24

Also, these children are French citizens and should have stayed in France and let their tax payers pick up the bill, not ours.

Probably untrue. The children are likely to be British citizens if their mother is a British citizen. Children take the citizenship of their parents.

labazs1964 Wed 03-Jan-18 10:17:45

i may be slated for this but i can see why your bil has washed his hands of her you need to think of yourself for once maybe grieve for your husband we all have problems but she sounds selfish and a user for once instead of running round after her maybe the kids need foster care you need to involve social services and she needs tough love left to her own devices

leemw711 Wed 03-Jan-18 11:52:02

Sadly I have no contact with my stepdaughter any more. She was a lovely child and my husband adored both her and her brother but as a teenager she became very spiteful and treated her father horribly so he never saw her again after the age of 18. She refused to go out for a meal with him when invited and when her godmother gave her a beautiful and expensive piece of jewellery as a gift, godmother was appalled and embarrassed by receiving a message which was “actually I wanted money”! Very sad, though I am still in touch with my stepson, who gets on well with my 2 sons. My husband died a while ago - stepson came to the funeral with his wife and teenage children but neither first wife nor stepdaughter bothered to give my husband the respect he deserved...

DaisyL Thu 04-Jan-18 10:10:01

We hear so many bad things about social services and other government bodies but I'm very impressed. We had a long meeting yesterday with a social worker from child services. My stepdaughter was there as was my step-DIL. Stepdaughter looks miles better, I do know there is many a slip between cup and lip, but she looked clean, tidy and bright-eyed and I have been like a storm-trooper going to her cottage every day. It is immaculate now and when I took the children down to see it, even though they wouldn't talk to their mother they told me they thought it all looked lovely. K, the social worker, is organising parenting classes and also arranging for the children to go to Teen-Anon. They are having counselling at school and the stepdaughter is having counselling from a local addiction specialist and is also going to AA. The children are going to have a phased return to contact with their mother. She is going to pick them up from school on Friday and give them tea and spend a couple of hours with them and then I will pick them up and bring them home with me. K will check with the children that they are happy with this and then their mother will gradually have them more and more but with social services (and me) keeping a beady eye on the situation. She is getting amazing support but has been warned that if she doesn't keep it all together the children will be taken away formally as opposed to, as now, informally, with family support. Anyway, at the moment I say hurray for social services.

silverlining48 Thu 04-Jan-18 11:03:13

AS a retired social worker i am very pleased you have had such support, and hope that your stepdaughter is able to benefit from their help. good Luck daisy and well done for being there for the children.