BREXIT? Am I just plain stupid?

Why on earth has it taken so long to at least agree what should be included in the brexit divorce bill? We are governed by idiots. Brexit is a nonsense, promoted by foriegn billionaire owners of the right wing gutter press.

Why can we no just say NO?

I assumed the rolling programme was that instead of paying a huge one off payment they were going to pay the fees as they would have become due anyway. As far as I can make out from what Barnier says nothing extra is being added it is just the money UK has agreed to pay. It will be the last couple payments we may need to be paying after we leave

durhamjen
@ 08.05 you categorically stated that May had given in
Now you state that the government have agreed on a rolling programme
Even by your stretch of the imagination they are hardly the same thing. A rolling programme means that these issues are still being discussed.
So, nothing to get excited about.

A Downing Street source? That wouldn't be David Davis, would it? Since when was he a Downing Street source?

He probably doesn't understand what it means.
It also means if we don't get an agreement we can stay in.

Actually, the government agreed on a rolling programme to sort out Northern Ireland, EU citizens and the amount to be paid before discussions on the trade deals could begin.
Saying nothing is agreed before everything is agreed doesn't change that fact, as Davis himself agreed to it.
Silly, wasn't he?

Prolly Toynbee today.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/nov/21/philip-hammond-budget-zombie-state-civil-war-brexit-fantasists?CMP=share_btn_link

Welshwife
macron was was Hollondes finance minister, that's where the term came from.

durhamjen
Re your post on Prestons tweet.
A Downing Street source has claimed:
"It remains our position that nothing's agreed until everything is agreed in negotiations with the eu"
So, nothing to get excited about.

The dates seem odd in your reports Pogs - Macron was made President in 2017 -Hollande was still in power in 2015/16

Owen Paterson tweeted that he hopes that we adopt the Singapore model post Brexit. He was never considered very bright at the EA, this tweet confirms it, but it does give us a good idea of how the swivel eyed loons and rampant brextremists see the future

I noticed Barnier reminded the EU and presumably the U.K., that a British premier stated that the UK would only remain in the G7 as long as it was a member of the EU.

Richard Tol writes in Politics Today

“In 6 weeks time, on January 1st 2018, the first bits begin to fall off the cliff edge. The U.K. government will lose its right to issue carbon dioxide permission permits.”

The cost to the tax payer after Brexit? Per week- approx £70-£140million.

POGS
How well I remember those 'discussions' on here you and I were accused of talking rubbish and that no such situation was going on.
I'm confused as to why Corbyn has jumped on board this one when it has been going on for eons and Corbyn was very much in favour of this cheap labour being imported to the uk.
Maybe he's been 'really' listening to his working class supporters and taken on board what's going on.

whitewave

" Corbyn, in a quieter and more adult approach, in his objective to stop British Workers being undercut by immigrant labour has persuaded Macron to put forward reform to the EU posted workers directive. "

I have raised the Posted Workers Directive time and time again on various threads as it allowed for EU workers to undercut our wages. I also remember you (and a few others) have taken issue with me several times and said this was not the case.

Since the Brexit referendum the EU has debated on several occasions the Posted Workers Directive and the EU has ' just' (October 2017) revised the 1996 agreement so I am wondering what Corbyn has persuaded Macron to do as I have obviously an interest in the PWD.

euobserver.com/social/139599

" EU employment ministers struck a compromise on Monday (23 October) to reform the 1996 directive on posted workers."

"The new deal, based on a 2016 European Commission proposal, aims to modify current rules and allow people who work temporarily in another member state to earn as much as workers in the country where they are posted."

euobserver.com/social/139625
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I am pretty sure Macron can think for himself and wonder why Corbyn has 'persuaded' Macron on this subject. Have you heard of the Macron Law?

www.france24.com/en/20171023-eu-luxembourg-french-president-emmanuel-macron-posted-workers-directive-reforms

www.dkv-benelux.com/new-macrons-law-france-what-you-need-to-know/

2015, France adopted a law called ‘Macrons Law’, it concerns the French minimum wage in the transport sector. The minimum wage applies to cabotage and all international transport operations (transit excluded). This law will enter into force on 1 July 2016.

The law provides new obligations on French inland transport movements and international transport to or from France. Under the new law, foreign-based drivers are subject to the French rules of social law as they enter French territory. There are several changes that transport companies need to be aware of.

On the subject of NI borders. Given the fact that the civil servants appeared to have no idea what checks should be required, and also given the fact that zero has been done to date in relation to the customs infrastructure/ employment and training. And given the fact that to have this set up by doomsday is impossible. I take the latest stated border on the Ni problem with a pinch of salt.

That is certainly good news in relation to the situation we have got ourselves into Jen.

I’m talking about eu food tariffs. I actually have no idea what wto tariffs are but I do know they are high and the rules complicated.

Makes so much sense to leave one trade block for another

Whitewave
Where do you get the figure of 25% when WTO tariffs vary enormously? Just one example: liquified natural gas 4.1% tariff.

John Graces sketch on yesterday’s public accounts committee session on the U.K. and its borders post Brexit, with civil servants was hardly revealing.

It basically boiled down to the fact the civil servants are clueless as to what will happen as it evidently became clear over the NI problem.
As Grace finished his article
“It’s a government of idiots, administered by idiots on behalf of a country they took for idiots”

Indeed.

link.mail.bloombergbusiness.com/click/11326204.19768/aHR0cDovL3R3aXR0ZXIuY29tL1Blc3Rvbi9zdGF0dXNlcy85MzI2ODU0MTk4NjI1NDg0ODI/5903b40bdd4c29f5748b45a1B0f113964

This is interesting. May has given in on allowing the ECJ to oversee the rights of EU citizens living in the UK.

Looking back at the immigration directive. I believe that unlike Maybot in her initial barnstorming attitude winning no friends in Brussels, Corbyn, in a quieter and more adult approach, in his objective to stop British Workers being undercut by immigrant labour has persuaded Macron to put forward reform to the EU posted workers directive.

So I think that given reasoned, adult and intelligent persuasion, it is more than possible to get a ruling on immigration that the U.K. and indeed the rest of Europe can live with and still be a member of the SM/CU.

What am I talking about! There will probably be a referendum to close it to keep those nasty furriners out.

tegan Eurotunnel is really interesting as for tax purposes it is mirrored in each country. With regard to domestic taxation, then one would expect things to continue as normally, but with vat as a European wide taxregulation, it will be interesting to see how this is dealt with.

Is it true that Eurotunnel is going to be called Getlink? It is a joke, right?

Didn't you Petra? I rarely notice her making any contribution to the topic just making remarks that are personal about the people whose view she doesn't share. Not nice however you cut it.

Whitewave, Amazon uses Ireland as its head office as it is to avoid paying taxes. It would be no different. Google did until Ireland changed the rules. It now uses Guernsey or Jersey.

Perhaps Brexit will sort out country by country reporting.