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Oldwoman70 Mon 30-Oct-17 09:54:37

My neighbours have had scaffolding around their house for several months and my neighbour has started making comments. A couple of months ago I wanted to watch something on TV so had my dinner on a tray sitting on my sofa, (not something I generally do), a few days later he made a comment about how doing that can interfere with digestion. A few weeks ago I had some friends round for lunch and after were in the sitting room chatting over a bottle of wine (as you do), again a few days later he said that my friends seemed to enjoy their visit. Last week he said he liked the colour of my dressing gown! I tried to make a joke of it and said that it was creepy and was he spying on me. This morning I opened my curtains and he was standing on the scaffolding staring at my house. Now I would point out I am not some gorgeous 20 year old with long legs and a great figure - in fact I am 70 short and fat! He is at least 10 years younger than me and has a lovely wife. Whilst we get on OK we are not great friends, we put each others bins out and watch each others houses when one is away and chat over the garden fence but that is about it. He is semi retired and only works 2 days a week so perhaps he is just bored!

I now don't feel comfortable relaxing in my sitting room and in fact am currently sitting at the kitchen table as that room cannot be overlooked from their house.

I don't feel threatened just unsettled.

GracesGranMK2 Tue 31-Oct-17 12:59:27

Firstly please believe that this is not your problem. You have not changed your behavior (and should not have to) in any way.

Second, it is at the very least inappropriate behaviour and possibly verging on illegal. I can understand that you do not want to escalate things but you should be keeping a diary of the incidents you have mentioned to us and any others you have noticed. This will feel weird because you are someone who tries to behave well towards your neighbours but he is not and you are just noting each and every one of these inappropriate acts - that is what they are.

If you ever feel in danger from this man (rather than uncomfortable) ring the police on 999.

I wonder if you could ring the police (not the emergency number) and ask if there is someone you could talk to who could give you advice on how to deal with this. Sometimes just knowing you have useful tools to deal with a situation makes it feel less harassed.

blueskies Tue 31-Oct-17 12:48:51

Oldwoman70 please look up What is Stalking . Why are so many women thinking that we have to "deal" with a neighbour's criminal behaviour by hiding ourselves or resorting to challenging the suspect. Do we lead such sheltered lives that we are unaware of danger. My stalker even entered my house without my knowledge and don't think it couldn't happen to you. I am a streetwise independent professional woman. These men are sick and crafty. He will have been watching you while you are unaware many times. Their wives have a lot to lose if they are found out and will protect their husbands. Keep safe.

tigger Tue 31-Oct-17 12:24:12

It's not so much stalking but kind of borders (or is on the edges) of voyeurism, although usually associated with nakedness and sexual acts. Certainly is could be viewed as sexual harassment, intimidation, even bullying especially when you have to resort to using a room out of his view. This is your home you must deal with it.

blueskies Tue 31-Oct-17 11:58:49

Well meaning others are not the victim. It is you. You are being stalked. What is he doing that you are not aware. He is a Peeping Tom and a Stalker. Take it seriously. Some women haven't and it has cost them their lives.

Carolebarrel Tue 31-Oct-17 11:54:31

Sorry all you wonderful polite ladies, but I would put up a very large sign in my window telling him to off. Seriously.

willa45 Tue 31-Oct-17 11:53:40

I wouldn't say anything to either him or his wife....that only creates bad blood and things can escalate.

You can quietly put up blinds, curtains or whatever works to ensure your privacy, at least until the scaffolding is removed. If the stalking/uncomfortable comments and the scaffolding continue, you could file a formal complaint with the local police so there is something on record.

He's probably harmless, but it's always a good idea to have adequate security in your house. A good watch dog can also be a good companion.

Coconut Tue 31-Oct-17 11:27:10

Personally I would wait till he makes another comment, then I would just say “ you are making me feel uncomfortable in my own home, can you please stop”. Offend or please, this is not acceptable behaviour. Some people respond to subtle, but if that does not work bluntness will !

radicalnan Tue 31-Oct-17 11:25:20

B&Q and other places sell a film that just does onto the glass and make window obscure.comes off easily too.

People are so lacking in good manners at times.

Elrel Tue 31-Oct-17 11:23:59

I dislike nets but prefer them to privacy film and have them at the front.
At the back I have vertical blinds which I draw right back for light. A neighbour whose house overlooks mine made a comment once 'I can see the doll's house' and I was very irritated. I get on fine with her in a casual way, always stop for a chat. I was surprised how intrusive I found her comment, I feel that one just doesn't remark on what can be seen through a neighbour's windows!
I guess I am being a little unreasonable!

Chris1603 Tue 31-Oct-17 11:23:25

I had neighbours who thought it was ok to wave at me when I was lounging on the sofa in my pyjamas watching tv. Not only the neighbours but their visitors! (There was a path round the side of their house). They had a 'it's only us' attitude.

We had a wall built, they didn't like it but they adjusted to it and we remained friends.

sandelf Tue 31-Oct-17 11:22:11

These lightweight stick on temporary blinds may help - we used them before we knew what we wanted at the windows when we moved house. www.blindsinabox.co.uk

Chris1603 Tue 31-Oct-17 11:17:50

Speak to both of them and ask how long the scaffolding will be in place. Do you know what the problem is that needs the scaffolding ? Is it a problem you may expect to have with your own property?

Let them know how uncomfortable you feel being so overlooked to the point you are looking at getting blinds. If you do not get anywhere follow through and get blinds. You will be sending a message to them.

You have tried the light hearted approach and it hasn't worked. He may think you are ok with it.

It may be an uncomfortable conversation, but they need to understand how unhappy you are. Alternatively you could write a letter to them if you don't feel able to speak to them.

You don't know what the wife's attitude maybe and you won't know until you have communicated with her.

I suggest you keep a copy of any correspondence and keep a log of incidents in case you need to escalate the matter with the police. You could phone the police and ask for advice at this point.

Alternatively you could give him merry hell and rude gestures every time you catch him peeping. Tell him where to go in no uncertain terms. They may never speak to you again but that could be a good thing! :-)

cc Tue 31-Oct-17 11:14:35

Sorry "over-familiar"

inishowen Tue 31-Oct-17 11:14:06

I bought a pretty voile scarf yesterday. I was thinking that pinning something like that across the window would give privacy and would be easily taken down. We have a neighbour who always seems to be around every time we go out through the back door. We joke he is hiding behind the fence and jumps up when our door opens. Last week hubby went out in his dressing gown at 6 am to put the bins out. Believe it or not the neighbour popped up! We think he's lonely since early retirement.

cc Tue 31-Oct-17 11:13:48

It might be a little over the top to complain to his wife - and it is more likely that he is simply over-familitar rather than a stalker. Perhaps if you ask her when the scaffolding will be coming down "because you feel a little overlooked"? That way it could be the builders you are worried about, assuming that he isn't doing the work himself.

Apricity Tue 31-Oct-17 10:56:23

Agree with others that this is beyond neighbourly interest. This is intrusive/stalking /creepy/ bullying behaviour and its not OK. Maybe turn the tables and get an old movie camera or fake CCTV or security camera (you can buy them very cheaply online) and position it in your window so he can see it. He will never know whether his behaviour is being filmed or not. If any comments are made just say your family were concerned about your welfare. Don't involve his wife, as others have, said she is most likely to get defensive. Call his bluff with a smile and confidence.

Telly Tue 31-Oct-17 10:52:53

Personally I would not escalate it at this time. Falling out can lead to misery and you don't feel threatened. I would put up some net curtains and be done with it. Don't give it another thought and you can take them down when the scaffolding is removed. He is probably bored, but any further comments should be put firmly in their place.

blueskies Tue 31-Oct-17 10:41:13

This is stalking and it won't stop but continue and escalate. Please access the Network for Surviving Stalking. Stalking is now recognised as a crime. This is how it started with me. I eventually had a heart attack and had to move house. It is good to know that nowadays your fears will be acknowledged. Keep a diary of everything--however insignificant and you can speak confidentially to your local council officer who deals with problematic neighbours. Also contact your community police officer who will be helpful--often a woman--and it will be logged.Do not speak to the wife as she will protect him. Do however speak to every neighbour and friend so that they are aware. Keep safe.

TillyWhiz Tue 31-Oct-17 10:32:55

What a creep - he'd get my best schoolmarm look, I'd look him up and down and say 'Have you got a full length mirror?' I'm currently having the same creepy behaviour from a member of my church, what do they think they are?!

DotMH1901 Tue 31-Oct-17 10:27:28

Could you ask his wife how long the scaffolding is going to be there? ~I had to hire some and it isn't cheap so we just had it for the shortest time possible. If it is only for a short time i would buy a roll of privacy film and put that up for the interim. I wouldn't tell his wife as she probably would feel she had to defend him - not worth the hassle - if, once the scaffolding has gone, he continues to stare into your windows then I would say something directly to him about it

JanaNana Tue 31-Oct-17 10:21:44

It's one thing having scaffolding up and getting on with the necessary work, quite another to have the neighbour making personal comments on your private life. I would find this very creepy. First either put some lightweight nets/voiles up or an inexpensive Venetian blind (the sort that Argos sells). Next time you see his wife ask her how the work is progressing and any idea when the scaffolding will be coming down. After all if it's been up a few months what on earth are they having done.! You could also be a bit blunt with him as well if he makes further remarks or comments if you put nets up.....such as I value my privacy thank you. I think I would ask someone else to watch your property when you are away, try and distance yourself from him. He is being over familiar with you and out of line, I would give him the cold shoulder.

Jaycee5 Tue 31-Oct-17 10:11:34

That is really horrible. Some men genuinely don't seem to know where the line is, or even where the line is and some just enjoy creeping women out.
I would get some quite thick nets and put them up. This is better than just shutting your curtain a bit because it is a clear signal to him.
You are probably doing the right thing to reply in a fairly bland way but you have to be alert to any signs of escalation. It isn't really about how you look or your age. It is more about power and he is already make you change your behaviour.

IngeJones Tue 31-Oct-17 10:11:22

No don't tell the wife! She a) may not believe you and think you fancy her husband and it's wishful thinking or b) may feel she has to defend him vigorously anyway. First tell him please stop looking into my windows, it feels intrusive. If he still does it, then consider whether he has any other signs of inappropriate behaviour or mental deterioration in which case he probably can't regulate his own behaviour. If all else fails tell him you will go to the police. And like everyone else has said put up nets (remember at night when the lights are on nets don't offer privacy so pull your main curtains.

lilihu Tue 31-Oct-17 10:11:07

Golly, this guy sounds like a creep. He obviously has no idea of how he’s coming across. Maybe just socially lacking? Scaffolding is very expensive to hire so is usually only used for the minimum time - I wonder why it’s up for so long? Have you asked what they’re having done?
I hate net curtains and they only block viewing as long there are no lamps on. Vertical blinds are fab. You can alter the angles of the slats from closed to fully open and every angle in between, allowing as much or as little light in as you need. They come in hundreds of fabrics and colours. Might be more expensive than nets but a better, more attractive long term solution. Hillary’s are always having sales/ offers and do the whole job. Better than having to hide in your own home?

jessycake Tue 31-Oct-17 10:11:07

You could get some removable window film that just clings to the glass it’s not too expensive . It’s not a permanent change & cheaper than blinds or nets