Jingle

Perfect, for someone who ...only overlapped with Jings for a short while the first time I joined GN ... you seem very over-invested in her presence, or otherwise.

You've written two very long, carefully crafted assessments and IMO come to completely the wrong conclusion - whatever she could be accused of you are so way off the mark with 'malicious' and 'bully'. There aren't many on here who haven't had a run-in with her, she was a prolific poster, and those who've been around a while got her measure.

Not unusual at all Maggie I have never sent a PM, only in reply to a shared memory. What is the point of discussing someone when you have no real idea of who or what they are?

What does concern me is the talk of PMs. I've rarely had them or sent them, and the ones in my inbox concern things I've recommended, or further discussion about a post I've made (eg, a shared memory). I've never discussed another member behind their back, nor would I. Anything I want to say I say on the open forum. Am I unusual in this?

Just to add, I think that it was bullies who 'did' for jings on a few occasions!

'xactly Annie. In this case the apparent 'victim/s' have won outright without a fair trial. So bloody unfair.

nicely put Anniebach !

I think you are right Annie.

The first time I dared start a thread it was about making sure my tablecloth looked pristine for one particular visitor I had some lovely replies but then I was derided for letting a little thing like that bother me.

I was mortified and nearly didn't come back! I'm glad I did, but can still remember how hurt I was by that reaction.

Suppose robust posting to some means bullying to others

Mine too. Jingl wasn't a bully, she tackled them. She burst some very big ego balloons and we could do with her back.

Honestly have any of you looked at MN lately they definitely have some very robust posters. I somtimes had a sharp intake of breath at some of jings post mostly they made me grin/smirk laugh out loud. She certainly started some very interesting threads. I never thought of her as a bully, never! I can be rather sensitive I often think that I'm a bit sickly sweet and avoid conflict so anyone who doesn't has my admiration.

Notme, I have never seen you as a bully - we have some good ones currently.

You have a tendency to let your tongue run away with you but never with personal malice involved.

Any nastiness, to me, seems to reflect more aboutyou than be aimed at other people. I miss your posts.

Thanks Izzywizzy.

I am so sorry I have been seen as a bully. I truly hope I'm not one. I am so sorry if I hurt anyone. Especially Imperfect.

I'll shut up now. (I'm here "illegally". Don't want to cause any more hurt).

Thank you very much for the "happy birthdays". And the kind words. x

When I first joined GN I thought Jings to be a bit of a bully and it appeared she had her followers who thought they could behave in a similar way, (the oldies).
As time went by I felt that she changed,for the better and I ended up liking her posts and felt she talked a lot of sense. I enjoyed her humour and felt quite disappointed when she was banned.
There are one or two Gransnetters now though who jump on other gransnetters at the least thing. They're not funny, ever , they're boring and just mean spirited so for me I'd much rather read Jings posts than theirs anytime.

I missed all that, imp. What you said was going on Jan 2016 with regard to "assumed heirarchy" and "assumed pecking order" and I don't think the climate of GN has improved, nor that it is kindlier now than it always was in the places where that was appropriate. Its climate hasn't declined either, at least as far as I can tell.

Just goes to show, doesn't it, how very wide a compass the different interpretations by different people in different parts of Gransnet can lead to completely different conclusions about the whole.

Nowt new under the sun and all that.

V witty, merlot, teehee.

I'mprefect Ha ha ha. Well, you know ... nothing a nice glass of red can't put right ...

Phew! Feel better now, I'mprefect?

P.P.S. Sorry - didn't realise the thread had moved on so much, was catching up on my phone and skipped a bit!

After a long day, here's to a good end everyone - including Jings - I can't help but think you must have loved all this attention today ...

All together now -
"Happy (belated) Birthday to you, Happy (belated) Birthday to you, Happy Birthday, Happy Birthday, Happy (belated) Birthday to you!"

See, we're all one big jolly gang together!

P.S. Alima ... Good post and yes, COME ON YE SPURS !!!!!

Ah the politics of Gransnet! For the record ...

I think GN usage really should NOT be subject to the petty power games of people who feel they have more rights than others just because they have posted for longer. Any assumed hierarchy says something about the overblown self-importance of those who try to impose it. However, the sense of assumed 'pecking order' was very apparent when I first joined and in part, it was why I gave up for a time.

When I first posted in Jan 2016, there was real nastiness on GN. Jings for sure was the 'leading light.' and others quick to fly to her defence. For my part, in the early days of posting Jings - YES, YOU Jings, behaved badly and it was easy to see that the 'treatment' was not just limited to me. But I am calling it for what it was: pointedly unkind and also deeply manipulative, with feigned ' Oh I didn't mean to upset anyone -' and playing the victim when anyone responded in kind, or tried to hold their own. In the early days I received several PMs saying 'Don't mind her' or ' Don't let her put you off.' And you didn't - we actually had some good exchanges over time, but for my part, because I hardened to your ways, But I know for a fact that you did make others feel unable to post. There was a definite bullying element. So do not play the innocent because it was seen by many for what it was. The climate of GN has improved - maybe in part because as undoubted ring-leader, you were curbed.

All that said, please understand that I am not trying to set myself up as some kind of thread police. And none of us here have any 'divine right' to assume importance over anyone else. Some, me included, enjoy actually starting threads - but ANYONE can. I generally try to start a thread if there is nothing much new going on - NOT because I like the sight of my own posting, but just so we can get some chatter going.

We all bring different sensitivities to GN - Jings included, no doubt. Some may be more 'robust' than others when it comes to a bit of argy bargy. And we can all upset others by mistake, or be misread. But in general I think most try to show a little thought and a little sensitivity and GN hsd become a kindlier place.

Oh, of course, silly me

Don't forget that the red cow flies at midnight

Ooops! Nighty night.

So it WAS you!