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Brexit "divorce"- did Commonwealth countries pay to leave?

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Newquay Sun 20-Aug-17 22:28:14

Does anyone know, when countries left the Commonwealth, did they have to pay to leave like we're supposed to be doing with Brexit? I just don't understand, simple soul that I am, when you leave something you pay subs to, you give the required notice (if any agreed beforehand) and then just leave and stop paying. So how come we're supposed to be paying to leave?

mostlyharmless Mon 21-Aug-17 13:16:50

Newquay I really don't think you can begin to equate Britain's relationships with its former colonies (later renamed the Commonwealth) and membership of the EU.

Colonisation means invading by force, grabbing lands and taking resources as well as exploiting people (by forcing them to work for you or selling them as slaves). It wasn't an equal relationship at all.

While Britain chose apply for membership of the EU and the members have equal rights.

durhamjen Mon 21-Aug-17 17:08:09

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/aug/19/british-voters-second-referendum-on-brexit

Vernon Bogdanor thinks we can become a colony of the EU.

LadyGracie Mon 21-Aug-17 20:34:53

As far as I'm aware the accounts for the EU have never been signed off!

durhamjen Mon 21-Aug-17 20:51:50

fullfact.org/europe/eu-accounts-signed-subject-errors/

Yes they have.
What is your reason for saying they have not?

durhamjen Mon 21-Aug-17 20:52:21

A lot of the errors are to do with UKIP, by the way.

Primrose65 Mon 21-Aug-17 21:07:15

dj This is from the opening paragraph of the audit report from the fullfact link you posted.

"Payments for 2015 are materially affected by error. We therefore give an adverse opinion on their legality and regularity."

Perhaps some people interpret this as 'not signed off'. I don't think it's got anything to do with a political party.

lemongrove Mon 21-Aug-17 21:08:35

The EU, all the countries that make it up, decided on projects for various countries and agreed to pay for them.
As Jalima says, it shouldn't be too difficult to work out what our share of that actually is.They will say one thing ( almost certainly too much) and we will say another, and gradually come to an understanding on how much to pay back.

durhamjen Mon 21-Aug-17 21:12:02

"In 2015 the European Court of Auditors—which checks the EU’s accounts—found just under 4% of spending was affected by some kind of error. The most common kind is when people claim for costs they’re ineligible for.

Only a small minority of errors are proven cases of fraud, where people have deliberately tried to get money illegitimately, and the EU does recover some of the lost money later."

The fraud is to do with UKIP taking EU money and using it for Brexit and the UK referendum.
They have asked Farage to pay it back. If he doesn't they will take him to court.
That's to do with UKIP, which is supposed to be a political party.

durhamjen Mon 21-Aug-17 21:14:04

news.sky.com/story/ukip-misspent-eu-funding-on-brexit-campaign-says-leaked-audit-10660254

I agree with you that UKIP isn't a political party, if you like.

Primrose65 Mon 21-Aug-17 21:26:19

dj If you read the actual audit report, you'll see that the expenditure of €145.9 bn is noted as 'Affected by material error' Are you seriously suggesting UKIP spent that amount (just over 5.5 billion euros) on their Brexit campaign?

lemongrove Mon 21-Aug-17 21:29:16

Nige's cigars??

Chewbacca Mon 21-Aug-17 21:30:09

Beer?

durhamjen Mon 21-Aug-17 21:45:47

Did I say all of it? Don't think so.

They said they represent a true and fair view, which is all they need to say to sign them off.