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travelsafar Thu 22-Jun-17 15:47:09

I was wondering if the tenants being offered new homes will be able to afford the rent in the luxury block and if they were receiving HB under the rules of the HB cap will they be able to pay the difference. Or maybe they are going to be charged at the same rate as their old homes.

This fire has caused much distress to both families and rich and poor, the government, local councils, communities, British and overseas people.

Now i fear it will cause more problems with jealousy if someone is not offered a luxury fully furnished home and some are.

Also people already living there who have paid a huge ammount of money to do so will not be happy i am sure

Rigby46 Fri 23-Jun-17 22:15:49

Political will implies that they will find the funding - they could try the magic money tree from which the DUP bribes are bring funded

durhamjen Fri 23-Jun-17 22:12:01

The money is there in Kensington.

M0nica Fri 23-Jun-17 22:10:17

Political will - plus funding

durhamjen Fri 23-Jun-17 21:36:53

Perhaps Kensington doesn't expect to have as many people needing social housing. A bit like Westminster and Shirley Porter's homes for votes gerrymandering.
I've just looked that up. It was called "Building stable communities"!

Rigby46 Fri 23-Jun-17 21:12:46

But if the political will was there, thousands more social housing units could be built

durhamjen Fri 23-Jun-17 20:39:49

think-left.org/2017/06/23/what-does-inequality-look-like/

Anyone remember Bryan Gould?

GrandmaMoira Fri 23-Jun-17 20:37:37

Monica - I had been thinking the same as you. It seems the block of flats offered for the survivors is in addition to existing housing. Prior to that offer, I thought the Grenfell survivors obviously have to be first priority for any decent council home available, but, with the dreadful shortage of London homes, people on the waiting list living in B&B and other poor conditions, would be having a much longer wait. London social housing is stretched to the limit and this disaster has made things worse for all in need.

Jalima1108 Fri 23-Jun-17 20:01:21

I see what you mean now travelsafar, yes.

Let's hope that all that is offered is of a decent quality as it should be. Some areas must be better than others, perhaps those who do not have such a demand on LA or social housing and do update their stock in a safe manner.

durhamjen Fri 23-Jun-17 19:49:53

At the same time as Grenfell happens, with so many made homeless, the latest homeless statistics are out.

www.24housing.co.uk/news/cih-responds-to-homelessness-statistics/

How could London developers say they will not build the numbers of affordable and social housing that they agreed to when they were given planning permission?

durhamjen Fri 23-Jun-17 19:29:25

Whatever they are offered, it will be better than Grenfell Tower.
As a report I read said, nobody lived in Grenfell Tower if they'd been offered somewhere better.

Two of the victims were threatened with legal action after they campaigned for improved fire safety. They received letters from KCTMO ordering them to stop their campaign.

travelsafar Fri 23-Jun-17 18:38:12

Jamlima1108 Maybe not to start with but further down the line if they are not offered such good quality housing then it may cause an issue.

What i meant by that was, those not offered such good quality housing may resent those that were as time passes.

durhamjen Fri 23-Jun-17 18:28:30

www.politics.co.uk/news/2017/06/20/calls-grow-for-an-immigration-amnesty-for-grenfell-survivors

durhamjen Fri 23-Jun-17 18:27:01

goodlawproject.org/petition/grenfell-disaster-petition/

A petition for an amnesty for all those survivors of Grenfell who perhaps should not have been there, as well as those who should.
The government needs to know how many people were there, but it appears there are many who are not admitting to it.

durhamjen Fri 23-Jun-17 17:11:22

Elrel, fortunately he's no longer a Brexit minister. Imagine what havoc he could cause. Conservative Home want him back, though. Makes me wonder how many of them are landlords or developers.

Elrel Fri 23-Jun-17 17:05:32

Durhamjen - So Clwyd West voters know what to do!

Morgana Fri 23-Jun-17 16:48:30

I signed a petition yesterday so it looks as if Wandsworth council just went ahead anyway. What is happening on this country when so many sections of society are being treated so badly? And who believes the developer is in danger of not making enough money? AS IF!!!!!

durhamjen Fri 23-Jun-17 16:44:34

politicalscrapbook.net/2017/06/draconian-ridiculous-bizarre-how-top-tory-mp-described-law-for-compulsory-sprinklers/

Sparklefizz Fri 23-Jun-17 16:35:21

No one has persevered with questioning the lack of sprinklers.

durhamjen Fri 23-Jun-17 16:29:08

politicalscrapbook.net/2017/06/fire-station-shut-by-boris-johnson-to-be-turned-into-luxury-flats-by-company-owned-run-tory-donor/

It gets worse.

politicalscrapbook.net/2017/06/tory-council-cuts-affordable-homes-from-iconic-london-building-being-turned-into-millionaire-mansions/

Ilovecheese Fri 23-Jun-17 12:42:36

My understanding, Welshwife was that it was £2 per panel, and £5000 for the whole block.

Welshwife Fri 23-Jun-17 12:07:10

The cladding was made from a material which gave off CYANIDE gas for goodness sake and should never have been used in housing of any sort! Some of the victims were being given antidotes to cyanide.

Does anyone know if that lady on QT last night was correct when she said that the material was £2 per dwelling cheaper than the one which had been recommended!

M0nica Fri 23-Jun-17 11:24:34

DH carried out a simple and completely unscientific experiment this morning

We have a small sheet of the insulating material used in the cladding on Grenfell Tower. He lent it against a wall and applied a blow torch to it. The material was quite slow to ignite and when he took the blow torch away, which he did several times, the fire soon fizzled out, suggesting that the material itself while flammable quickly self quenches when the source of the flame is taken away.

The difference between his experiment and Grenfell Tower, apart from scale, is that the panels were fixed to the walls of the tower with an air gap between the insulating material and the walls of the tower. This air gap acted as a chimney between insulation and wall and the fire was fed and spread by the suction of the 'chimney' and the presence of air.

This effect would have been there whether the insulation was totally non-combustable, partly flammable like the piece of the material DH used, or highly inflammable and suggests that the inspection of cladding on tower blocks should go beyond just checking on the material used but on whether there is an air gap between cladding and the previous outside wall of the block. If there is a gap, then fire breaks should be installed at regular intervals so that the chimney effect that led to the spread of the fire cannot occur again.

I think too much of the publicity about the cause of the fire has been put on the cladding and not enough on the extent that the fire was channelled from floor to floor by defects in the building services that had cable conduits and other services that were continuous from floor to floor without fire breaks at regular intervals and, of course the air gap behind the claddng.

suzied Fri 23-Jun-17 08:01:40

Let's hope it's the actual people who were in the block who are given new homes not those who may have been officially listed as tenants but who were illegally subletting to someone else and living elsewhere. This tragedy has uncovered a whole network of social issues.

WilmaKnickersfit Fri 23-Jun-17 03:16:31

It's good to hear it's low rise. The Kensington Row development is part of a huge regeneration project and the aim is to create a new garden village. You can see the buildings marked Affordable Housing at the top right on this plan.

POGS Fri 23-Jun-17 02:09:37

Grenfell Tower Fire Statement.

Prime Minister.

Re-housing

" Turning to re-housing, Mr Speaker, 151 homes were destroyed in the fire, most in the tower itself but also several in the immediate vicinity.

All those who have lost their homes have been offered emergency hotel accommodation; and all will be offered rehousing within 3 weeks.

Already 164 suitable properties have been identified and they are being checked and made ready for people to move into.

In the longer term, everyone whose home was destroyed will be guaranteed a new home on the same terms as the one they lost.

Sixty-eight of those will be in a brand-new low-rise block that has just been built by Berkeley Homes. The developer has generously offered to turn over the entire block at cost price. Contractors are on-site now, working 24/7 to speed up fit-out so that the first families can move in this summer.

Within the wider cordon area, many more homes were damaged by smoke or water or have lost gas, heating and hot water. Emergency hotel accommodation is available for anyone who does not want to remain in a damaged property and over 100 hotel rooms have already been provided.

We are also putting in place practical support to help accelerate necessary repairs and yesterday drew on expertise from the army to assist with this.

Some survivors have said that they want to leave the local area, and we will of course support that and help them find a home elsewhere.

But I want to be absolutely clear - nobody is being forced to move somewhere they don’t want to go.

And if any Honourable Member thinks they know of anyone being treated in this way – they should contact my office in Downing Street with the details."