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"Persons of interest"

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GracesGranMK2 Tue 06-Jun-17 20:30:52

I think you have hit the problem on the head Jane. We just have to think of the Stasi in Germany who encouraged friends and family to spy on one another. Stasi stood for "Ministry for State Security". I do think we have to be very careful but then none of us wants these killings. No one should be telling us they have the solution though - or at least we shouldn't believe them.

Jane10 Tue 06-Jun-17 20:24:29

I entirely agree. Its an impossible task for the security services. I was about to say that it'll be up to each of us to look out for potential suspects but that could lead to vigilante type actions and general paranoia. All bad. Oh dear.

M0nica Tue 06-Jun-17 20:22:24

Sorry, the above seemed to post itself while I was still composing.

The penultimate line of the first para should read:
...about animal rights and once attending a hunt saboteur's meeting and joining the groups that physically attacked....

M0nica Tue 06-Jun-17 20:19:01

Everybody who has shown, at sometime, an interest in extremist ideas, is not a terrorist nor likely to become one. A lot of us went through a rebellious phase in our youth and dabbled in all kinds of extreme left and right political or religious groups, more out of curiosity than commitment. We do not know whether we were noted and our names put on a list at the time. But, for example, there is a big difference between being concerned about animal rights and attend a hunt saboteurs meetingjoining the groups that physically attacked researchers and companies involved in animal experiments

The problem is knowing which of those outer circle dabblers will gravitate to the centre and how fast.

It is clear from the number of terrorist attacks that didn't happen because they were nipped in the bu - and we tend to forget about those, that our police and intelligence services are generally up to the mark and successful, but inevitably there will be some who slip through, especially with low tech attacks like that at the weekend.

It only needs 3 disaffected young men, with no history of active extremism, to psych each other up in a cafe over a coffee, hire a van and buy some knives or even a gun for there to be an atrocity.

GracesGranMK2 Tue 06-Jun-17 19:08:05

I'm afraid it all reminds me of the film Minority Report. It is all as if we are trying to understand what people are thinking they might do. I don't envy those having to deal with this and I think we have to accept they cannot get it right all the time.

whitewave Tue 06-Jun-17 18:54:30

I find the 10s of thousands figure pretty scary. God knows how that gets dealt with

Jane10 Tue 06-Jun-17 18:49:38

But what can they actually do? They can't just arrest or intern people. The incidents are pretty low tech: just driving at people or stabbing them with kitchen knives. I'm not expecting any answers btw, just lamenting.sadangry

Greyduster Tue 06-Jun-17 18:37:21

I should imagine that the security services have more than a few "insiders" the same as they did in Northern Ireland; but they have to throw their net so much wider now, it must be truly daunting.

merlotgran Tue 06-Jun-17 18:16:45

Full marks also to those brave men who fought back. They're lucky to be alive with such awful injuries.

whitewave Tue 06-Jun-17 18:15:16

According to the Met Chief Dick its in the 10s of thousands!!!!

Jane10 Tue 06-Jun-17 18:13:40

Just watching the news and hearing that the latest London terrorist murderers were "known" to M I5 . What does this mean in practice? What's supposed to happen? There must be a lot of such people so how can they all be watched and the general public protected? What an impossible task.
Full marks for the rapid reaction of the police though.
This is just me wondering.