Non binery people

They/them for one person has always been used. E.g. I saw someone come out of the station, then they ran straight across the road.

I'm totally confused by the whole non binary thing.

I'm afraid I just don't understand how you would use the term 'they' or 'them' for one person.

I'm adding it to my list of 'The Worlds gone crazy' things .

I'm not sure that sex or gender is a matter of "choice" any more than age or race. But increasingly we are been given the idea that we can choose a preferred gender or none and everyone else in society has to accept that. Childhood and adolescence is such a time of rapid development and change, I am not sure that permanent decisions which will affect ones whole life/ physical body should be taken at that stage of life. I know if someone had asked me aged 7, if I wanted to be a boy I would have said yes. However, I'm a happy female now and have been since adolescence. With the idea of "choice" of gender, maybe we have created more confusion and anxiety.

I too am happy for People to be what they are, but who dreams up all these daft names, and how much are they paid to do it?

Daft to the core

I see it as saying don't refer to me as a specific type of human being, unless I ask you to.

Agree with everything you have said Iam64, very well put, but I can't get my head around the reason / benifit of being described as non binary . To me it's like saying don't call me a human being , call me a collection of parts covered in skin ... just saying

One of my grandchildren has named themselves non binary. Lovely individual who is negotiating their way through various life challenges and has expressed gratitude that their extended family accepts this.

I read that more autistic individuals are seeking help with sexual identity. |Give how much more of a challenge life is for people on the ASD that isn't a surprise.

I feel its a good thing that rigidity around sexual/gender issues are being challenged. I find it ironic that this is happening alongside the increasing move towards gender specific clothes and toys from infancy through childhood.

I don't feel comfortable with the idea of giving prepubescent children drugs to stop them developing into the physical gender they were born into. Give them time, adolescence is not the time to be making such key decisions. I recognise many would disagree with that point of view. Difficult isn't it.

What interests me is whilst Owl and Fox are certainly non binary names the clothes they were wearing and their hair and facial hair certainly defined them as a known gender So maybe they should have been wearing long Middle Ages tunics and had middle of the road hair and no beards so they really looked neutral

This might help

www.itv.com/news/2017-05-17/gender-non-binary-couple-in-heated-gmb-debate/

My grandaughter (aged 16) recently informed us she is non-binary. We cannot call her 'she' or 'her' but have to refer to her as 'they'. l'm finding it quite confusing and afraid of saying the wrong thing and upsetting her (them). But 25 years ago my daughter (her mother) informed me she was a goth, now aged 43 she is a very grounded wondeful mother and registered child minder who the kids adore. So l am biding my time and respecting my gds wishes and waiting with interest to see how she/they turn out. But l know what my dear old dad would have said. 'Don't be so bloody daft!'. By the way l watched Piers Morgan interviewing Fox and Owl and l know who came off best.

Non binary don't want to be defined - sorry

There is confusion between sex and gender - most babies are born with a defined biological sex which is male or female. Gender is a social construct which varies over time and between societies. Non binary is different from trans - trans people want to be a different gender from the sex they were ascribed at birth. Non binary want to be defined as male or female regardless of their biological sex. There are serious issues I think about trans women and the rights of biological women that are much more serious than just toilets.

Sadly a few babies are born who could be either m or f. Usually lacking the physical signs to determine their gender, or having both.
They have a real problem, compared with the binaries

The world has gone mad. I'm inclined to agree with MissAdventure. When a baby is born it is male or female. How can it be genderless? I'm just glad my dear old Nana isn't alive to witness the way things have changed. She'd be appalled.

I m totally open to anyone being what they want to be I have absolutely no prejudices against any of the many various genders or outward appearances but I can't see any reason to find a new fashionable name for themselves The two people in question on the broadcast this morning was a person born a man but dressed as a very presentable woman called Owl and a person born a female who was dressed as a male complete with a light beard named Fox both were eloguant and couldn't seem to understand any confusion but neither wanted to admit to having had gender change as they were quite adamant they were not male not female and not trans gender they were non binary I couldn't understand this insistance to created another gender
It was mentioned that schools now need to accept non binary children they didn't say high schools or primary ( I truely hope not primary) it was also reported that eight children had recently stated they are non binary, again they didn't say any age group

And I know some on here hate the Guardian, but I was amused by this, photos and a story of a remote retreat in the US in the 1950s and 1960s where men could indulge in cross dressing:

www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2017/may/17/cross-dressing-men-celebrated-barbican-uk-london-photography-exhibition-casa-susanna

Once upon a time there were girls called tomboys and there was a male equivalent though I don't think it was labelled (my husband remembers being fascinated by his sister's possessions and clothes). It was all part of growing up and exploring gender roles.

I am of a liberal persuasion but I am disturbed by this latest trend which I think is driven by confused people with own agenda who want to feel validated by influencing government, the state, organisations and the general public. I can't see a problem with unisex loos in schools or in public and it's good if young people are not condemned for their feelings (in the way that homosexuality was once criminalised) but there is something that doesn't feel quite right in how this is being pushed to the fore.
Wasn't there a Panorama or some such programme on tv a while back looking at sexual identity and the background to why the idea that you might be the wrong sex meant you had to be helped to change? I remember seeing stories of people (in the US of course!) who had had massive intervention to change sex in their youth who later regretted it. To my mind, this is linked to wanting to say you are binary, I have got to the point in life where I want to say 'do what you want, don't harm others, but otherwise I don't want to know'!!

Surely a police officer is a police officer, how they define their gender has absolutely nothing to do with the job. Personally if I am being attacked I don't care if the officer who turns up is male, female, gay, straight, transexual, non-binary, white, black, brown or mixed race. I feel the same goes for any job. How someone defines their gender or sexuality is entirely up to them, I don't have a problem with it as long as they are able to do the job. Unless it has a bearing on their job I have no need to know. Whenever I have applied for a job I have never found it necessary to put white heterosexual on my CV.

If boys want to wear skirts they should be able to do that without having to define themselves as non-binary or anything else.

We shouldn't have to label people. We should accept them in whatever way they present themselves. We're meant to be an 'inclusive' society which is a laugh for starters.

Since you asked, and not to put too fine a point on it, I think its a load of old shit!

Wish the police and others would concentrate on their jobs and not falling in with the latest trends. People are people and should be treated with respect regardless of orientation. We do seem to fall into the trap of trying to please all the people all of the time.

So the school that's in the news at the moment for wanting to allow boys to wear grey uniform skirts is classed as non binary.
This dosen't bother me in the slightest but why does it have to be given a new lable. I'm confused enough by the array of possible answers to the sexual orientation question. I wouldn't care what your answer is I hasten to add.

And all officers now carry extendable truncheons.